Hi
I was wondering if anyone can get anything in the Arcevo Colonial Digital of Aguascalientes to work:
http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/SEGGOB/acervodigital/bienvenido…
Hola a todos, he estado haciendo mi arbol genealogico y me ya no he
avanzado mas atras del año 1800, los apellidos de mi familia en ese año son
Tavares, Espitia, Macias, Ortis, Gomez, Soto, Coll
Elysia Rodriguez
hola.
tengo una Espitia en mi familia
Margarita espitia de Flacon, nacia en 1753 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
la esposa de Francisco Placencia
madre a Jose Marcos Plasencia, nacio en Moyahua, zacatecas
quisas somos primos? o
Hola Mario,
Los apellidos Macías, Gómez, Ortiz y Espitia eran comunes en Aguascalientes
durante los siglos XVII y XVIII. Menos comunes eran Soto, Tavares y Ramos.
El apellido Collazo casi no se conocía. Creo que en su mayoría esos
apellidos eran originarios de los Altos de Jalisco y principalmente de Santa
María de los Lagos.
Saludos,
Bill Figueroa
Gracias Bill, voy a buscar en Aguascalientes, agradesco tu ayuda.
El 20/09/2010 05:35 a.m., Bill Figueroa escribió:
> Hola Mario,
>
> Los apellidos Macías, Gómez, Ortiz y Espitia eran comunes en
> Aguascalientes durante los siglos XVII y XVIII. Menos comunes eran
> Soto, Tavares y Ramos. El apellido Collazo casi no se conocía. Creo
> que en su mayoría esos apellidos eran originarios de los Altos de
> Jalisco y principalmente de Santa María de los Lagos.
>
> Saludos,
> Bill Figueroa
Estimado Mario podrías ser un poco más concreto con los apellidos ¿A quienes tienes por últimos abuelos? fulanito casado con fulanita en el año de... sus hijos..... o los hermanos de ellos? con el fin de ayudarte un poco más y no andar divagando y andando por otras ramas.. que son un chorro.. saludos Lety R
> From: research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Research Digest, Vol 94, Issue 2
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> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:07:10 -0800
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Please contact Angel directly for the attachment:
---- "Angel R.
Hola!
Alguien sabe que sucedio con la informacion matrimonial de 1797 del sagrario de guadalajara? En los archivos se brinca de 1795 hasta 1808...
Gracias!!
Hola primos y primas,
Estoy investigando mis antepasados Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada e
Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, que vivian en Pinos, Zacatecas, 1680-1740.
Francisco Sanchez nacio alrededo
Manny,
If you could please send me your line to the Sánchez de la Mejorada? I am also related to this line. I have a Sánchez de la Mejorada line as well in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco who married into my family, Méndez de Torres at the end of the XVIII century. D. José Francisco Méndez de Torres y Méndez de Torres married Da. María Guadalupe Sánchez de la Mejorada y Aguilar on 27 Jul 1795 in Ciudad Guzmán, he than married the woman whom I descend, Da. Desideria Fernández de la Cueva y González Bermejo on 2 Mar 1807 in San Francisco de Tamazula. I wonder if there is a link. I know there are many in México City, perhaps these two lines will link.
Let´s compare what we have!
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Hola Daniel,
Thank you very much for replying to my post.
Regarding my Sanchez line, all of the activity I have takes place in Pinos, Zacatecas. As I mentioned, I dead-end in Ciudad de San Luis with the birth of my g6 Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada, born hijo natural de Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narvaez, probably around 1678. They had another hijo natural, Jose Antonio Sanchez, who also married in Pinos:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-7D6
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-ZCZ
I haven't been able to trace Cristobal Sanchez, since he and Francisca Narvaez were not married, but I do have Francisca living in Pinos, Zacatecas, as late as 1729, when she was madrina for one of their grandchildren. She had another hijo natural, Luis Sanchez, who also married and had children in Pinos, though his marriage document says he's of padre no conocido. He still uses the Sanchez name, and his children will use the Sanchez de la Mejorada compound surname.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-CR5
And then the other day, I was researching what I believe to be the first marriage of my g6 grandmother, Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, with Mathias Gomez; they had a son named Pedro Gomez, who married a young lady named Maria Xertrudis: their marriage document says she was born in la ciudad de San Luis, but she's given no surname and is listed as "padres no conocidos." But as I was pulling up the documents for their children, I noticed she was given a surname on some: "Sanches" as well as "Harbaiz."
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRPP-YRF
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-27V
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-FZZ
I'm going out on a limb, but "N" looks similar to the "H" in these old documents, so the name is probably Narbaiz: I think she is Sanchez Narvaez, and another hija natural of Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narvaez. The timeline, families and locations fit.
I have my grandfather's tree at Ancestry, under the name of J. Refugio G. Hermosillo. It's an open tree, but I'll email you an invite, and you can take a look. You can work your way up beginning with my grandfather's mother, Susana Sanchez. I'm pretty thorough with my research, and I try to include all of the offspring of my ancestors, along with their spouses and children. So maybe one or another rama ended up in one of your communities/lines.
Take a look at my folder, I have all of my lines listed, as far as I've been able to go. I think there are 35 couples and 2 or 3 solteras, so there's well over 70 familias/surnames. I'm sure we have some that coincide!
Un abrazo,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
JRefugioGHermosillo
Hola Daniel,
I've been posting on another thread associated with my Sanchez de la Mejorada line, I just posted dispensations and informaciones for several couples descending from my Sanchez, perhaps you can find something helpful: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21351#comment-26317
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
JRefugioGHermosillo
Hola Daniel,
I came upon this 1712 dispensation for Nicolas Castaneda and Maria Gomez, which you had posted in another thread:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82663-43?cc=1874591&wc…
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21449
This document is linked to my Sanchez de la Mejorada line, as the mother of Maria Gomez is Ysabel Ruiz, my g6. This dispensation is a great find for me, as it confirms my theory that Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor married Capitan Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada after the death of her first husband, Mathias Gomez: Francisco Sanchez is a testigo, and in his declaration, he says he is the step-father of the pretensa, Maria Gomez. GOL!!
I've located the marriage record for Mathias Gomez & Ysabel de Avalos, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZXJ-PP2
which gives his parents as Juan Gomez Nieto and Theresa Martin(ez) Guerrero, and the parents of Ysabel de Avalos as Agustin de Avalos and Magdalena Ruiz. I found the baptismal record for Agustin de Avalos, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRXZ-YBP born 01 Oct 1640 in Pozos, SLP, to Sebastian Baltazar de Avalos and Mariana de Castro. I can find nothing on Magdalena Ruiz.
I was expecting her to be linked to Baltasar de Avalos from Lagos de Moreno, but Sebastian Baltazar de Avalos lived in Pozos, SLP. Do you know if there is any connection to the Lagos de Avalos line?
Regards,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
Here is the extent of my Sanchez line:
At the top of my tree I have Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narbais/Narvaez, both born around 1650-1660. They weren't married but they had at least 3 hijos naturales, and one probable hija natural, while living in San Luis Potosi, between 1678 and late 1690s. By the late 1690s-early1700s, their children were marrying and having children in Pinos, Zacatecas.
I have the following children for Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narbais:
I. Capitan Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada, born about 1678 in SLP. He married twice, to:
m1. Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor around 1697, probably in Pinos, Zacatecas. I believe her to be the widow of Mathias Gomez, but I haven't the documentation. Their children were:
1. Josepha Mejorada Ruiz, b. 18 April 1698 in Pinos, ZAC. She married Diego Delgado Gallegos, 16 Feb 1722, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Joaquin Sanchez de la Mejorada, b. 12 Apr 1699 in Pinos, ZAC, m. Juana Anastacia de la Puente, 10 Feb 1725, in Venado, SLP.
3. Francisca Sanchez Ruiz, m. Juan Delgado Gallegos, 16 Oct 1719, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Jose Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada, b. 26 Nov 1703, in Pinos, ZAC, m. Marina Gomez de Sotomayor, 6 Oct 1721, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
m2. Margarita de Cuevas, married on 25 Jan 1720 in Pinos, Zacatecas. She was the daughter of Francisco de Cuevas and Maria Martin de Sotomayor. Their children were:
1. Maria Eugenia Sanchez, b. 30 Nov 1721, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Juan Antonio Sanchez, b. 3 May 1723, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Maria Catarina Sanchez, b. 2 Dec 1724, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Ysabel Eusebia Sanchez, b. about 1725, she married Juan Fermin de Goicocheo, 11 Jul 1745, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Francisca Simona Sanchez, b. 27 Feb 1726, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Juana Maria Sanchez, b. 4 Jul 1728, Pinos, Zacatecas.
II. Jose Antonio Sanchez Narvaez, born in Ciudad SLP, m. Gregoria Mendez de Sotomayor, 31 Jan 1720 in Pinos, Zacatecas.She was the daughter of Juan Mendez de Sotomayor and Juana de Jazo. Their children were:
1. Rita Engracia Sanchez, b. 28 Apr 1720 in Pinos, Zacatecas, m. Phelipe de Tiscareño, 9 Sep 1737, in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Francisco de Tiscareño and Margarita Marquez (aka Maria Ramirez de Sosa).
2. Dicidora Xetrudes Sanchez, b. 3 May 1722, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Descanso Sanchez, b. 13 June 1724, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Prudencio Sanchez, b. 30 Nov 1726, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Jose Seferino Sanchez, b. 2 Apr 1731, in Pinos, Zacatecas, m. Josepha Rosalia Morelos, 26 Nov 1758, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Eugenia Prudencia Sanchez, m. Jose Lazaro de Carrion, on 25 May 1749, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7. Juana Felipa Sanchez, b. 17 Jun 1733, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
8. Jose Sotero Sanchez, b. 5 May 1735, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
9. Jose Alejandro Sanchez, b. 19 May 1737, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
III. Luis Sanchez de la Mejorada, born in Ciudad SLP, m. Antonia Gomez Tiscareño, 4 Feb 1722, in Pinos, Zacaecas. She was the daughter of Nicolas Gomez and Lorenza Tiscareño. Though on his marriage record, he is listed as "hijo natural de Francisca Narbais y de padre no conocido," on a marriage dispensation for two of their descendants, he is said to be the brother of Francisco Sanchez and of the same father. The children of Luis Sanchez and Antonia Gomez were:
1. Miguel Fermin Sanchez, b. 3 Oct 1724, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Maria Guadalupe Sanchez, b. 7 Apr 1727, m. Onorato Domingo Delgado, 14 Feb 1748, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Francisca Getrudis Sanchez de la Mejorada, m1 Jose Manuel Domingues, 12 Oct 1746, in Pinos; m2 Jose Salvador Tirado, 28 Apr 1756, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Rosalia Sanchez, m. Juan Pablo Jose Gaitan, 19 Apr 1758, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Anna Micaela Sanchez de la Mejorada, b. 1736, m. Jose Antonio Atancio Gaitan, 2 Feb 1756, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Maria Cecila Santos Sanchez de la Mejorada, m. Nicolas Ramirez, 28 May 1759, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7. Anna Gertrudis Sanchez, b. 18 Dec 1740, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
8. Juan Francisco Sanchez, n. Juana Victoria Maria Delgado de Torres Medellin, 6 May 1760, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
IV. Maria Xertrudis (Sanchez Narbais), natural de Ciudad SLP, m. Pedro Gomez, on 17 Jun 1706, in Pinos, Zacatecas.He was the son of Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor and Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor. Though on her marriage record, she is listed as "padres no conocidos," on parish records for two of their children, she is listed as Maria Gertrudes Sanches, and on another as Maria Gertrudes "Harbais." The locations, timelines and families fit, and it's too much of a coincidence for her not to be an hija natural of Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narbais. So I have her in my tree, but only as hija natural de Francisca Narbais. The children of Maria Xertrudis and Pedro Gomez are:
1. Cristobal Florentino Gomez, b. 10 Jul 1707, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Thomas Antonio Gomez, b. 18 Aug 1709, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Vicente Gomez, b. 13 Apr 1711, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Miguel Gomez Narbais, 25 May, 1713, in Pinos, Zacatecas; he was married to Francisca Xaviera Tiscareño, daughter of Francisco Tiscareño and Margarita Marquez (aka Maria Ramirez de Sosa).
5. Jose Jacinto Gomez Sanchez, b. 27 Aug 1715, in Pinos, Zacatecas, m. Maria Teresa Tiscareño, 20 Aug 1738, in Pinos, Zacatecas; she was the daughter of Francisco Tiscareño and Margarita Marquez (aka Maria Ramirez de Sosa).
6. Pascual Gomez, b. 13 May 1718, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7. Ysabel Dionisia Gomez, b. 16 Oct 1720, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3rd GENERATION
Jose Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada, b. 26 Nov 1703, m. Marina Gomez de Sotomayor, 6 Oct 1721, in Pinos, Zacatecas. She was the daughter of Nicolas Gomez and Lorenza de Tiscareño. Their children were:
1. Jose Joaquin Sanchez de la Mejorada, b. 26 Jul 1722, Pinos, ZAC, m. Maria Ygnes Lopez, 30 Apr 1742, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Jose Antonio Sanchez, b. 12 Jan 1724, Pinos, ZAC, m1 Getrudis Marin de Santa Cruz Navarro, 26 Feb 1748 in Pinos, Zacatecas; m2 Barbara Paula Delgado, 6 Apr 1750, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Juana Maria Sanchez, b. 3 Jan 1726, m. Nicolas Marin de Santa Cruz Navarro, 18 Oct 1747, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Antonio Ramon Sanchez, b. 10 Sep 1727, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Lucas Sanchez, b. 4 May 1729, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Tomas Antonio Sanchez, b. 8 Jan 1733, in Pinos, Zacatecas; m. Gertrudis Apolonia de Jara, 30 Aug 1757, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4th GENERATION
Tomas Antonio Sanchez, b. 8 Jan 1733, in Pinos, Zacatecas; m. Gertrudis Apolonia de Jara, 30 Aug 1757, in Pinos, ZAC. Her parents were Phelipe Cornelio Rodriguez de Herrera and Juana Victoria Gaitan. Their children were:
1. Jose Cesario Roman Sanchez, b. 9 Aug 1758, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Jose Francisco Sanchez, b. 5 Mar 1760, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Maria Josepha Sanchez, b. 2 Jun 1762, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Maria Dolores Sanchez, b. 6 Aug 1764, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Anna Maria Sanchez, b. 18 Jan 1767, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Maria Antonia Sanchez, b. 20 Dec 1772, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7. Jose Antonio Marcos Sanchez, b. 5 May 1775, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
8. Jose Maria Brigido Sanchez, b.19 Oct 1777, Pinos, Zacatecas.
9. Maria Josepha de los Dolores Sanchez, b. 25 Oct 1781, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5th GENERATION
Jose Antonio Marcos Sanchez, b. 5 May 1775, in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was married to Maria Francisca Lopez, b. 30 Oct 1776, in Asientos, Aguascalientes. Her parents were Andres Lopez and Maria Feliciana Guerrero. Their children were:
1. Jose Pioquinto Sanchez, b. 5 May 1805, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Maria Victoriana Sanchez, b. 8 Sep 1807, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6th GENERATION
Jose Pioquinto Sanchez, b. 5 May 1805, in Pinos, Zacatecas; he married Cecilia Gaitan on 6 Feb 1835, in Pinos, Zacatecas. Her parents were Jose Tomas Gaitan and Maria Leonicia Dolores Cortes. Their children were:
1. Cecilia Sanchez, b. 21 Nov 1835, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Jose Arcadio Sanchez, b. 20 Jan 1837, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
3. Julian Sanchez, b. 5 Feb 1843, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
4. Jose Higinio Sanchez, b. 18 Jan 1844, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
5. Alejo Sanchez, b.23 Jul 1846, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
6. Cleta Sanchez, b. 2 Aug 1848, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7. Vitoriana Sanchez, b. 25 Mar 1850, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
8. Susana Sanchez, b. 23 May 1851, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
9. Jose Bartolo Sanchez, b. 5 Sep 1853, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
10. Tiburcio Sanchez, b. 29 Apr 1855, in Pinos, Zacatecas.
7th GENERATION
Susana Sanchez, b. 23 May 1851, in Pinos, ZAC. She married Antonio Gonzalez 20 Jun 1869 in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Juan Gonzalez Davila and Asuncion Gil de Esparza. Their children were:
1. Maria Juana Gonzalez, b. 18 Apr 1871, Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Merced Gonzalez, was married to Maria Gonzalez.
3. Maria Guadalupe Gonzalez, b. 17 Dec 1873, Pinons, Zacatecas.
4. Jose Refugio Gonzalez Hermosillo, b. 4 Jul 1883, Pinos, Zacatecas.
8th GENERATION
Jose Refugio Gonzalez Hermosillo married Virginia Davila around 1903, in Montesa, Zacatecas. They had 6 children, of which only 2 survived to adulthood:
1. Antonio Hermosillo, b. 17 Jan 1905, Pinos, Zacatecas.
2. Maria Concepcion Hermosillo, b. 14 Feb 1910, Matanzas, Jalisco.
He also had 2 hijos naturales with Guadalupe Candelas (b. in Villa Garcia, Zacatecas); the children were born in Juarez, Chihuahua, in the early 1920s and nothing is known about them.
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
Arturo and everyone else in the group.
I've been trying to enter my Caldera line using the information in the files by Susan Leniski. I'm having a problem with the time line between the births of the children of Pedro Cid Caldera and Ana Maria Carrillo. My interest is in their daughters Clara Cid and Ysabel Cid, I can't find a birth date that works for them. In fact I can't figure the date of birth for their father Pedro Cid Caldera!
Hi Linda:
It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage information is the my
previous mail) and therefore the grandaughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María
Carrillo de Avila:
" ACUÑA José DE, español, soltero, de 18 años de edad, natural originario y
vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Clemente de Acuña y de Isabel
Caldera, españoles, originarios de la jurisdicción de la villa de Jerez,
donde residen. Dijo que el saber ahora de este parentesco fue PORQUE SU
ABUELA DE ESTE DECLARANTE, JUANA ROSALES, MADRE DE LA MADRE DE ESTE
DECLARANTE, QUE ES ISABEL CALDERA, le dijo que era hija de Antonio Carlos,
ya difunto y que este dicho Antonio Carlos era tío carnal de Onofre de
Ávila, padre de la pretensa Micaela de Ávila, y que por parecerle ser tan
lejos y remoto parentesco presume infiere no será muy difícil la
dispensación que se ofrece. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez con Micaela de Ávila, española, doncella, de 20 años
de edad, originaria y vecina de la villa de Jerez, hija legítima de Onofre
de Ávila y de Francisca Carrillo, españoles, originarios de la villa de
Jerez y residentes en la jurisdicción de Jerez. No firmó. Testigos: 1.-
Hernando de Lamas, español, de 60 años de edad, a más de 30 años vecino de
la jurisdicción de jerez. Firmó. 2.- Nicolás Arias, español, de 65 años de
edad, a más de 30 años vecino de la jurisdicción de Jerez. Dijo saber que la
abuela de José de Acuña, pretenso, llamada Juana Rosales le daba título de
padre a Antonio Carlos, que hoy es difunto y que ha oído decir que era su
hija la dicha Juana Rosales, y que Antonio Carlos era tío carnal de Onofre
de Ávila, padre legítimo de Micaela Dávila, pretensa, y que esto es lo que
sabe. No firmó. 3.- Gregorio Cordero, español, de más de 40 años de edad,
vecino de la villa de Jerez a más de 20 años. Firmó. En 15 de abril de 1712
declaró un cuarto testigo que fue Sebastián Arias, de más de 60 años de
edad, dijo que oyó amonestar a José de Acuña, para contraer matrimonio con
Micaela de Ávila, y son parientes muy cercanos porque este declarante sabe
que Antonio Carlos, reconoció y tuvo por hija a Juana Rosales, y como a tal
la crió en su casa, y que esta dicha Juana Rosales, es abuela del dicho
pretenso. Y que Catalina Carlos era hermana de Antonio Carlos, padre de la
dicha Juana Rosales, y esta tuvo por hijo a Onofre de Ávila, padre de la
contrayente, por lo cual los tiene por parientes y esto es publico en esta
villa, que no lo ignora ninguno. Y que la misma Juana Rosales, declara,
haber sido tenida por hija del dicho Antonio Carlos, a que esto es lo que
sabe, y otros muchos vecinos dijeron lo mismo. No firmó. Un quinto testigo
lo fue Marcela Ramos, española, de más de 50 años de edad, dijo que habiendo
oído amonestar a José de Acuña, hijo legítimo de Clemente de Acuña y de
Isabel Caldera, españoles, que pretende contraer matrimonio con Micaela de
Ávila, española, hija legítima de Onofre de Ávila y de Francisca Carrillo,
vecinos de la villa, dijo que lo que sabe es por haberse criado en La Troje,
donde se crió Juana Rosales, abuela del pretenso, que son parientes porque
Antonio Carlos tuvo por hija a Juana Rosales y en esa fe la crió y reconoció
siempre por tal y todos los parientes por tal la tuvieron y tienen y que
esta tuvo por hija a Isabel Caldera, madre del pretenso, y que Catalina
Carlos, era hermana de Antonio Carlos, y que esta tuvo por hijo a Onofre de
Ávila, padre de la pretensa, Micaela de Ávila, y que esto es lo que sabe y
es publico y declara, para el descargo de su conciencia. No firmó.
Dispensados por el Ilustrísimo Señor Obispo de Guadalajara, don Diego
Camacho y Ávila en el pueblo de San Pedro el 7 de mayo de 1712 por
impedimento de tercero con cuarto grado de sanguinidad. Información
matrimonial. Jerez, Zac. 8 abril de 1712. Fojas: 51 56 vuelta."
Regards,
Hector Felix
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
longsjourney
Enviado el: Martes, 22 de Enero de 2008 08:01 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help! Caldera lineage
Arturo and everyone else in the group.
I've been trying to enter my Caldera line using the information in the
files by Susan Leniski. I'm having a problem with the time line between the
births of the children of Pedro Cid Caldera and Ana Maria Carrillo. My
interest is in their daughters Clara Cid and Ysabel Cid, I can't find a
birth date that works for them. In fact I can't figure the date of birth for
their father Pedro Cid Caldera!
The girls mother Ana Maria Carrillo must have been born abt 1600 and thats
the problem. I can make Clara Cid Caldera work if she's born abt 1630 but
Ysabel Cid Caldera and husband Clemente Acuna have their first child abt
1691 or so, and their last abt 1710.. How does that work???? HELP
Linda in Everett
Hector, you are wonderful! I had all those same records from Susan Leniski's file but put them together incorrectly.. Thank you so much! I hate when I send out the wrong information and really appreciate you taking the time to find my error.. YOU ROCK!!!! I will be updating my files on Rootsweb.com this weekend.
thank you again...
Linda in Everett
Héctor Felix Aizcorbe wrote:
Hi Linda:
It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage information is the my
previous mail) and therefore the grandaughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María
Carrillo de Avila:
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Hi Linda,
I'm glad to have helped you clarifying your records. I've a lot of info on
Jerez. Count on it any time you might need something.
Regards,
hector
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Enviado el: Miércoles, 23 de Enero de 2008 05:49 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help! Caldera lineage
Hector, you are wonderful! I had all those same records from Susan
Leniski's file but put them together incorrectly.. Thank you so much! I
hate when I send out the wrong information and really appreciate you taking
the time to find my error.. YOU ROCK!!!! I will be updating my files on
Rootsweb.com this weekend.
thank you again...
Linda in Everett
Héctor Felix Aizcorbe wrote:
Hi Linda:
It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage information is the my
previous mail) and therefore the grandaughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María
Carrillo de Avila:
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now.
Your Isabel Cid Caldera, the wife of Clemente de Acuña, could've not have
been a daughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María Carrillo, whose marriage took
place around 1625. Following (i) is the marriage information of Pedro, one
of the latter couple sons, who must have been born around 1644; (2) Plus
your Isabel Cid or Caldera was still having children in 1699. (3) Another
daughter, Matiana, was born around 1649 (probably earlier).
(4) There was another couple named Pedro Cid and Maria Carrillo (very common
names in Jerez at the time, by the way), living in the early 18th century.
(1) CID PEDRO, soltero, de 26 años de edad, originario de la villa de Jerez,
y vecino de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Pedro Cid Caldera,
difunto y de María Carrillo. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez el 5 de abril de 1670 con Juana Rosales, soltera, de
20 años de edad, originaria de la Troje, estancia de Mariana de la Cruz,
jurisdicción de Jerez, y vecina de dicha jurisdicción. Hija de la iglesia.
No firmó. Testigos: 1.- Tomás Dávila, vecino de la jurisdicción de Jerez. Es
pariente del pretenso. Firmó. 2.- Juan González Bueno, de 70 años de edad.
No firmó. Fojas: 13-14 vuelta.
(2) ACUÑA Francisco DE, español, hijo legítimo de Clemente de Acuña y de
Isabel Caldera. Padrinos: el Bachiller don Bartolomé de Araiza y Antonia
Cid. 28 de febrero de 1699.
(3) OLAGÜE José DE, natural y vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo de
Juan de Olagüe, difunto y de Leonor de ÁVILA, su mujer. Pretende contraer
matrimonio eclesiástico en jerez con Leída la segunda amonestación el 20 de
febrero de 1675 un vecino de la villa de Jerez llamado Diego Carrillo le dio
noticia al Cura Beneficiado de Jerez, que el dicho Olagüe había dado palabra
de Casamiento a Matiana Cid, española, nacida en la villa de Jerez, hija
legítima de Pedro Cid, difunto y de María Carrillo. El mismo día que se dio
dicha noticia compareció Matiana Cid, de 26 años de edad, dijo ser verdad
que José de Olagüe la comunico mucho tiempo con pretexto que se había de
casar con ella, y le tenía dada palabra, entreteniéndola con semejante
pretexto, y por haber oído las amonestaciones, y que casaba en la ciudad de
Zacatecas, había parecido a demandar y pedir le cumpliese la palabra que le
tenía dada, y ha oído decir que con el dicho José de Olagüe le toca algún
parentesco, que no sabe por donde ni en que grado. No firmó. El 21 de
febrero de 1675 habiendo visto la declaración hecha por Matiana Cid, vecina
de la villa de Jerez, el Cura Beneficiado de Jerez mandó se remita dicha
declaración al señor Obispo, y se notifique a la dicha Matiana parezca ante
su Merced de la fecha de esta en dos días para seguir su demanda, pena que
le parará entero perjuicio si así no lo cumpliese. Matiana Cid habiendo
hecho estas declaraciones dijo que no tenía que pedir ni demandar sino que
lo dejaba libre, y quito de cualquier derecho, que podía haber adquirido por
la palabra que le tenía dada, y que ahora ni en ningún tiempo pedirá ni
demandar cosa ninguna sino que elija el estado que Dios le diere a entender
y que así lo cumplirá pena de caer en caso de menos valer, y de perjura y
para mayor fuerza lo juró a Dios y a la Cruz en forma de derecho en
presencia del Licenciado Antonio Sotelo, Clérigo Presbítero y del Bachiller
Plácido de Quijas Escalante, y de su pedimento lo firmaron. Información
matrimonial. Jerez, Zac. 20 de febrero de 1675. Fojas: 35-35 vuelta.
(4) PÉREZ MIGUEL, español, natural de Celaya, y residente desde hace 3 años
de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo de José Pérez y de María de Aguilar.
Casado y velado por el Bachiller Juan Antonio de Aldrete en Jerez el 24 de
noviembre de 1735 con Feliciana Cid, española, originaria de la villa de
Jerez, hija legítima de Pedro Cid, difunto y de María Carrillo. Padrinos:
Juan Carrillo y Lucia Efigenia. Testigos: Juan Medrano y Pedro Medrano.
Foja: 46 vuelta.
I hope that the above can lead you to further findings.
Regards,
Hector Felix
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
longsjourney
Enviado el: Martes, 22 de Enero de 2008 08:01 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help! Caldera lineage
Arturo and everyone else in the group.
I've been trying to enter my Caldera line using the information in the
files by Susan Leniski. I'm having a problem with the time line between the
births of the children of Pedro Cid Caldera and Ana Maria Carrillo. My
interest is in their daughters Clara Cid and Ysabel Cid, I can't find a
birth date that works for them. In fact I can't figure the date of birth for
their father Pedro Cid Caldera!
The girls mother Ana Maria Carrillo must have been born abt 1600 and thats
the problem. I can make Clara Cid Caldera work if she's born abt 1630 but
Ysabel Cid Caldera and husband Clemente Acuna have their first child abt
1691 or so, and their last abt 1710.. How does that work???? HELP
Linda in Everett
where did you find pedro cid caldera and juana rosales's marriage record. i have had no luck finding it on familysearch
edit: i should also mention that i've found documents stating that clara and matiana were adopted
edit:since the transcirption of pedro and juana's marriage record claims juana rosales has unknown parentage, i suspect that antonio carlos cheated on his wife with another woman, since his wife catalina, was a sister of juana's husband pedro cid caldera
Hi Everyone, up until yesterday I was able to research images (microfilm) with my old google browser and windows xp. The images would open up already focused, even when moving the image.
A partir del 31 de octubre, ya no salen las actas en el Family Search...a que se debe?? y que hay que hacer para nuevamente poder ver las actas.
Si aparecen. Solo que no se pueden ver con Explorer. Se tiene que usar Firefox o Chrome.
https://www.mozilla.org/es-MX/firefox/new/
https://www.google.com/intl/es-419/chrome/browser/
Armando
I too have not been able to view the microfilm on FamilySearch. I have Windows XP 7. Is there a problem using this browser? The person I contacted at Family Search did not seem to know what was going on. Any info on this situation would be helpful.
Thank you
Aurora
dont use explorer, try with chrome or firefox
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM, wrote:
> I too have not been able to view the microfilm on FamilySearch. I have
> Windows XP 7. Is there a problem using this browser? The person I contacted
> at Family Search did not seem to know what was going on. Any info on this
> situation would be helpful. Thank you
> Aurora
i found this marriage dispensations below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-1697-38?cc=1874591&wc=…
I am new to this group and would like to introduce myself. I have been doing genealogy for 45 years and have a database on FTM of 105,000 names; my pedigree chart is 4' x 80' long.
What area or locations are the focus of your research? And what are some of the primary surnames?
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: "ronw_maestas@msn.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montes Vigil
I am new to this group and would like to introduce myself. I have been doing genealogy for 45 years and have a database on FTM of 105,000 names; my pedigree chart is 4' x 80' long. My Montes Vigil book is over 2,500 pages long with a 500 page index. It consists of 6 volumes of 500 pages each.
Ronald Maestas
My site is http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/ronmaestas
I also am interested in Gomez, Romero, Valdez, Marquez, Chavez, Ballejos, Maestas, Mestas de Peralta, Valdez
Hi everybody! Hola!
First, let me say that I'm excited to be part of this community, and am
grateful that it exists.
i can't seem to find my de la torre ancestors on their either
Thank you for sharing your story. I am certain that as you go further in your family research its value to you, and others, will grow in proportion to your work. Buena suerte!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: de la Torre family tree
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:03:02
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] introduction - de la Torre-Berumen Uribarren
Hi everybody! Hola!
First, let me say that I'm excited to be part of this community, and am
grateful that it exists. I look forward to collaborating and sharing my
research with other members here.
My name is Jose Luis de la Torre, Jr., and I'm interested in researching the
de la Torre family in particular, as well as my other ancestors. I don't
have many details yet as I'm just starting on my research, but I'll share
what I know so far about my family's roots on the de la Torre side.
>From what I know, my great-great grandfather was Francisco de la Torre, who
married Martina Velasco. They lived in Guadalupe, Zacatecas. I don't know
anything else about Francisco and his family, so I'm hoping to uncover more
in my research, and find out about his other descendants.
My great grandfather was Ygnacio de la Torre Berumen from Guadalupe,
Zacatecas, who married Maria Uribarren Velasco from Guanajuato, in 1899 in
Guadalupe, Zacatecas. Shortly after their wedding, they moved to hacienda
Canada Honda close to Aguasclientes. They lived in Aguascalientes between
1905 and 1922, then moved to San Luis Potosi. Sometime in the late 1920s,
Ygnacio moved his family to Nogales.
Of his children, three became Catholic priests. Francisco and Carlos de la
Torre became Jesuits, and I believe they spent most of their ministry in
Torreon, Coahuila. Ignacio de la Torre became a diocesan priest and served
in Nogales, Sonora most of his life. My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
research.
Over thanksgiving I managed to find a copy of _Filigranas, Fundaciones y
Genealogias, Tepetongo, Zacs._ by Jose Leon Robles de la Torre, and scanned
most of it. I've posted the de la Torre family tree from his book at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18246. While it has a lot of
valuable information, unfortunately I can't place my great-great
grandfather, or great-grandfather, on the tree. I hope it will be useful to
others. Hopefully one day I can find the connection from my family tree to
Jose Robles's. It would seem that the de la Torres from Tepetongo, ZAC
would be related to the ones from Guadalupe, ZAC, but I guess one may have
to go farther up on the trees to see the connections.
Yours truly,
Jose Luis
Family to my great-grandfather: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18253
Welcome to the Group!
You stated My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
research.
Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado.
Was your grandma from Los Altos de Jalisco? Alvarez y Tostado
is a family in Los Altos: you might want to start on this line?
This family has been researched extensivly, You could probably
easily trace it back to its patriatch Lorenzo.
-Daniel
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Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
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Like Daniel I welcome you to the group also.
I have Alvarez Tostado from Michoacan in Tamazula Jalisco in the early 1700's too. Looks like this family traveled a lot! Daniel did you check to see if they are related to your Los Altos families?
Linda in Boulder City
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto wrote:
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] introduction - de la Torre-Berumen Uribarren
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:34 AM
Welcome to the Group!
You stated My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
research.
Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado.
Was your grandma from Los Altos de Jalisco? Alvarez y Tostado
is a family in Los Altos: you might want to start on this line?
This family has been researched extensivly, You could probably
easily trace it back to its patriatch Lorenzo.
-Daniel
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
In the future please inform us which side of the image and which entry has
the record that you are requesting assistance with.
Textually it states the following -
"siendo el 1o originario y vecino de este pueblo de 26 años de edad y
vecino que fue 5 años en Atotonilco el Alto hijo de D. Pablo Becerra y de
doña Juana..."
In English
"the 1st person is a native and inhabitant of this town [he is] 26 years
old and he was an inhabitant for 5 years in Atotonilco el Alto..."
Native meaning that is where he was born. It does not state during which
of his 26 years he spent 5 years in Atotonilco el Alto.
It does not include the words hasta or hace. It uses the word fue where
others transcribed it as the previous two
I hope this helps,
Armando
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM, wrote:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20396-52980-**
> 30?cc=1860831&wc=M9Q9-XM6:**472441515
>
> Looking for help with this marriage document to make sure I'm getting any
> important information. There doesn't appear to be anything additional for
> 1876 marriages at Purisima del Rincon, so I wanted to be sure I'm getting
> what's provided here. It appears to me that it states Atanasio had resided
> in Atotonilco el Alto for 5 years prior to the marriage (which is where I
> have him in near the turn of the century), but I'm unclear if it indicates
> if he is originally from Purisima or if information is provided about his
> parents origins. My Spanish is VERY limited. Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Alejandro
Thank you for all the help. I have yet to locate his birth recorded at Purisima, but I'll keep trying. He seems to have moved around quite a bit, eventually staying in Atotonilco el Alto, though all the offspring from this marriage seem to have been baptized in Purisima.
Gracias!
DICE SER ATANACIO BECERRA DE 26 AÑOS ORIGINARIO DE ESTE PUEBLO Y VECINO DESDE HACE 5 AÑOS EN ATOTONILCO EL ALTO, HIJO DE PABLO BECERRA Y DOÑA JUANA ???? . CON RAMONA LEDEZMA DE 16 AÑOS ORIGINARIA DE ESTE PUEBLO HIJA DE RAMÓN LEDEZMA Y DE MARÍA LOZANO.ESPERO TE AYUDE.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: becerracuse@verizon.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:38:41 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with Marriage Document
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20396-52980-30?cc=1860831…
>
> Looking for help with this marriage document to make sure I'm getting any important information. There doesn't appear to be anything additional for 1876 marriages at Purisima del Rincon, so I wanted to be sure I'm getting what's provided here. It appears to me that it states Atanasio had resided in Atotonilco el Alto for 5 years prior to the marriage (which is where I have him in near the turn of the century), but I'm unclear if it indicates if he is originally from Purisima or if information is provided about his parents origins. My Spanish is VERY limited. Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Alejandro
Lo que yo entiendo es que tiene 26 anos y ser vecino de este pueblo y residente que fue de Atotonilco El Alto hasta los 5 anos.
Buen suerte.
Anna
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:16 PM, ROCIO IRENE PADILLA C wrote:
DICE SER ATANACIO BECERRA DE 26 AÑOS ORIGINARIO DE ESTE PUEBLO Y VECINO DESDE HACE 5 AÑOS EN ATOTONILCO EL ALTO, HIJO DE PABLO BECERRA Y DOÑA JUANA ???? . CON RAMONA LEDEZMA DE 16 AÑOS ORIGINARIA DE ESTE PUEBLO HIJA DE RAMÓN LEDEZMA Y DE MARÍA LOZANO.ESPERO TE AYUDE.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: becerracuse@verizon.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:38:41 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with Marriage Document
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20396-52980-30?cc=1860831…
>
> Looking for help with this marriage document to make sure I'm getting any important information. There doesn't appear to be anything additional for 1876 marriages at Purisima del Rincon, so I wanted to be sure I'm getting what's provided here. It appears to me that it states Atanasio had resided in Atotonilco el Alto for 5 years prior to the marriage (which is where I have him in near the turn of the century), but I'm unclear if it indicates if he is originally from Purisima or if information is provided about his parents origins. My Spanish is VERY limited. Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Alejandro
I am trying to continue my family line of Velasco.
Did you find any documents of him having children?
Do you have the link?
On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:56 PM, aderomo@msn.com wrote:
> I am trying to continue my family line of Velasco. I found the marriage record of Francisco Velasco and Maria Ceron (married Nov 19, 1636 in Mixquiahuala, Hidalgo.)It was under Bautizos 1632-1644 (Image 47) I need help in reading the document. I believe it says that Francisco is "nacional de la ciudad de Sevilla." First of all am I reading the city as Sevilla correctly and does that mean that he is originally from Spain. His parents are listed as Antonio Velasco and Maria de Arce. I looked for them under Sevilla and could not find any marriage info on them. Any help grealy appreciated. Thanks, Auora De Anda de Romo
I believe the city of Zamora, Michoacan was called Sevilla first but then you are reading records in Hidalgo.
Linda in B.C. Nev.
________________________________
From: Barbara Andrews
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Velasco y Maria Ceron de Hidalgo, Mexico
Do you have the link?
On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:56 PM, aderomo@msn.com wrote:
> I am trying to continue my family line of Velasco. I found the marriage record of Francisco Velasco and Maria Ceron (married Nov 19, 1636 in Mixquiahuala, Hidalgo.)It was under Bautizos 1632-1644 (Image 47) I need help in reading the document. I believe it says that Francisco is "nacional de la ciudad de Sevilla." First of all am I reading the city as Sevilla correctly and does that mean that he is originally from Spain. His parents are listed as Antonio Velasco and Maria de Arce. I looked for them under Sevilla and could not find any marriage info on them. Any help grealy appreciated. Thanks, Auora De Anda de Romo
Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Aurora: Es correcto, Francisco de Velasco natural de Cevilla = Sevilla, h.l. de Antonio de velasco y de Doña Maria o Marta harce o De arce. Y Maria Ceron h.l. de Juan Ceron y de Agustina Perez, Los Velasco son parientes de los Virreyes Don Luis de Velasco I y Don Luis II. Y Doña Maria de Ceron es descendiente del Conquistador Don Jorge Ceron originario de Baeza en Jaen, España, Caballero Hidalgo. A Mexico cerca de 1530, Cap. y Maestre de Campo con Hernan Cortes a los Mares del sur, en 1536 a España, vuelve a Mexico en 1537 con toda su familia.(Inf. de Peter Boyd Bowman; Indice Geobiografico de 40,000 pobladores en America) Eperando te sea de utilidad la informacion anterior, te envio un afectuoso saludo.
A T E N T A M E N T E
JOSE BARBA ORNELAS
José,
La información que me dio es muy interesante. Ya tengo tiempo con la familia de los Velasco. Mi visa abuela Emilia Velasco mama de mi abuelo Pedro Anda Velasco nació en 1851 en Calvillo, Ags. Los padres de ella fueron Nicolasa Velasco Loera (n. 1830 en Calvillo) y Arcadio Velasco Ramírez (n. 1827 Calvillo, Ags.) Así es que ambos eran Velasco. Por el lado materno he llegado a Francisco Velasco casado con Maria Ceron. Y por el lado paterno – Joseph Estanislao Velasco casado con Paula Gertrudis Martinez casados c. 1747 creo que en Zacatecas. Los hijos de ellos nacieron en Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas. Hasta esta fecha no he encontrado que las dos ramas de Velasco sean las mismas.
Muchísimas gracias,
Aurora
Hola Aurora, tengo una duda. Si Nicolasa es la misma persona que se caso con Eugenio Camino? Nicolasa Velasco talvez la informacion no sea corecto?...no hay una acta de Matrimonio que me podria mostrar? (link)
Cual quier informacion se le agradece.
Gracias,
Atte: Victor Renteria Silva
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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:24 PM
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Can anyone tell me how I can add my family tree to the files on this site? Thank you.
Robert
First go to YOUR folder and then choose the edit tab and then choose the
window for attachments to upload a file to your folder.
Let me know if you need help to do this by sending me a message at
joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Joseph
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> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of resco16@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:48 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Tree
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can add my family tree to the files on this site?
Thank you.
> Robert
I've uploaded an Excel file containing marriage records for Jalpa that are NOT available on familysearch.org, for the years 1819-27 and 1685-1712 (part).
My 3rd Great grandfather Juan Joseph Gregorio DeAnda married Maria de Jesús Peres June 3, 1782 in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco.
The document states that the parents of Maria de Jesús Pérez were Don
Joseph Pérez and María Josefa Pérez per the 2nd line at the top of image
49. The padrinos were Jose Casillas and Gertrudis Romo.
Armando
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:36 PM, wrote:
> My 3rd Great grandfather Juan Joseph Gregorio DeAnda married Maria de
> Jesús Peres June 3, 1782 in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco. On their
> marriage document (Image 49) it states that Maria de Jesús Peres parents
> are Jose Casillas and Gertrudis Romo de Vivar. The marriage of Jose
> Casillas and Gertrudis Romo is dated April 26 1779 in Jalostotitlan
> Jalisco. (Image 524) I must have the wrong set of parents because the
> dates don’t make sense. I have not been able to find another set of parents
> with the same names nor have I found Maria de Jesus Peres baptismal record.
> I would greatly appreciate any info that would help me resolve this
> dilemma.
> Aurora
>
Muchisimas gracias Armando
That document was very difficult to read. I still don't fully understand that first sentence that states that Jose Perez and Josefa Perez are the brides parents. At the bottom it makes sense that the pardinos should be the ones listed but it does say "padres" before their names. Again thank you for taking the time to check this out. Now I am on the right "ramo" de familia.
Atentamente, Aurora
The handwriting is definitely hard to read but I can read most of it. Where
is says "padr" and has some markings next to it also has a dot for the i of
padrinos. Even though it looks like padres it does say padrinos. The
context of the document also has to be taken into account.
I was able to transcribe most of the document -
En esta Sta Iglesia Parroquial de la Villa de la Encarnación en tres de
Junio de mil setecientos ochenta y dos años para el matrimonio que
pretendieron contraer don Juan Joseph Gregorio de Anda español originario y
vecino de esta feligresía en Sta Gertrudis hijo legitimo de don Joseph de
Anda y de doña María Gertrudis de Cuéllar difuntos con doña María de Jesús
Pérez española originaria del puesto..de Nuestra Señora de San Juan y
residente en la Ciénega de Mora y en la actualidad en esta Villa hija
legitima de don Joseph Pérez y de doña María Josepha Pérez habiendo
procedido las diligencias acostumbradas y por dro......despachador
requisitorio para que se amonestaran en San Juan y habiéndose amonestados
en esta Sta Iglesia Parroquial en tres dias festivos inter missarum
solemnia según los dispuesto por el Sto Concilio de Trento que lo fueron
domingo..diez y nueva de mayo lunes de... veinte de dicho y martes de
dicha...veinte y uno de mayo y no habiendo resultando impedimento alguno
impediente o detrimento publico o secreto que obstrara [obstruyera] al
matrimonio que pretenden Yo el Bachiller Antonio Romo teniente de cura del
señor Bachiller don Manuel María Gutierrez que....de esta feligresía y de
orden de dicho señor cura asistí al matrimonio que en mi presencia y por
palabras presenté in facie ecclesiae contrajeron los dichos don Juan Joseph
Gregorio de Anda y doña María de Jesús Pérez a quienes di las bendiciones
nupciales siendo sus padrinos don Joseph Casillas y doña Gertrudis Romo y
testigos don Santiago de la Mora y don Antonio Díaz y para que conste con
dho del señor cura lo firmé
Nuestra Señora de San Juan is what is now called San Juan de los Lagos.
Many people confuse the cities of San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno
as the same place but they are 48 km apart from each other. San Juan de los
Lagos is where the Virgen de San Juan is and Lagos de Moreno is where the
insurgent Pedro Moreno was from and the city was previously called Santa
Maria de los Lagos or villa de (los) Lagos for short.
There are three baptisms that are within the expected dates in San Juan de
los Lagos that match Joseph Pérez and María Pérez. One of the baptisms has
the parents with the compound surname Pérez Franco. The earliest baptism is
1761. I do not see a marriage for the that couple prior to that year. You
should look at the padrinos and the ranches mentioned in the baptisms and
look through the records of Información Matrimonial of San Juan de los
Lagos prior to 1761. Also look through the dispensas of everyone with the
surname Franco at
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/search?q=Francoand
at
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/ and try and make a tree of all of
the Pérez Franco family members. The Franco surname is uncommon enough to
include all of them. Pérez is so common you would want to concentrate on
the families from La Chona, San Juan, Jalos, and Tepa. The tumblr site has
Tepa as Tecpatitlan (an older spelling) and it has San Juan as Lagos, which
is incorrect. So don't overlook those.
The Pérez Franco compound surname started with the children of Alonso Pérez
Torillo and Luisa Paredes Franco
http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=alonso;n=perez+torillo so there is
a possibility that you descend from them and at some point you might be
able to tie your tree to the one above.
I have all of the ancestors of Juan Joseph Gregorio de Anda y Cuéllar if
you would like me to send an ancestry report on him to you.
Un saludo cordial,
Armando
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM, wrote:
> Muchisimas gracias Armando
> That document was very difficult to read. I still don't fully understand
> that first sentence that states that Jose Perez and Josefa Perez are the
> brides parents. At the bottom it makes sense that the pardinos should be
> the ones listed but it does say "padres" before their names. Again thank
> you for taking the time to check this out. Now I am on the right "ramo" de
> familia.
> Atentamente, Aurora
Yes Armando,
I would appreciate the info on Juan Gregorio DeAnda Cuellar. I do have info on him back to Gaspar Macias Valades and Antonia DeAnda Altamirano y Martinez de Alarcón. I would like to compare notes to see if I have the correct information. I have the baptismal info on most of Juan Gregorio DeAnda’s and Jesus Peres children except for my great, great grandfather Rafael Anda Peres. All I have is his marriage record to Maria Encarnación Pedroza (Oct. 9, 1832 Encarnación de Diaz) where it states that his parents are Juan Jose (Gregorio) De Anda and Ma. De Jesus Peres.
I have followed the line of Gaspar Macias Valades back to Blas Macias and Catalina Ramirez (Valadez) married about 1556 in Lagos de Moreno.
I also found Jesus Perez Franco and Josepha Perez Franco and am checking them out. Also Juan Gregorio’s 2nd wife was Ancelma Franco.
Thanks for the info on the dispensas I will be working on getting info from there.
Aurora
If you haven't done so, I suggest you look at their compadres to see if
that suggests a direction to investigate.
Raquel Ruiz
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, wrote:
> Muchisimas gracias Armando
> That document was very difficult to read. I still don't fully understand
> that first sentence that states that Jose Perez and Josefa Perez are the
> brides parents. At the bottom it makes sense that the pardinos should be
> the ones listed but it does say "padres" before their names. Again thank
> you for taking the time to check this out. Now I am on the right "ramo" de
> familia.
> Atentamente, Aurora
Hi everybody,
I have him as Jose Gregorio de Lusio, 6 dias de nacido.
Father: Manuel de Lusio
Mother: Jesus Jaramiyo
AP: Jose Maria Lusio y ??
AM: Gregorio Jaramiyo y Juana Montanez ?
Hi,
You forgot to include a link so we can see the document and try to read it.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
I have the parents of Francisco Caballero:
Francisco Miguel Cavallero and Maria ?????? Baeza(?).
The parents of Jasintha Truxeque:
Francisco Diaz Truxeque and Antonia de Leon.
Along the same Anttonia de Leon line:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17072-22256-76?cc=1837906&wc…
Francisco Diaz Truxeque con Anttonia del Sacramento y Massias.
Francisco, son of Domingo Diaz Truxuque y Maria Seron.
Anttonia, daughter of Diego de Leon y de Lorenza Massias.
Have I read this marriage record correctly?
p.s. I am still looking for the missing name mentioned in the original posting.
Thanks,
Roy
I read the name Jasinta on the margin and Jasintha in the register.
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:12 PM, wrote:
> I have the parents of Francisco Caballero:
> Francisco Miguel Cavallero and Maria ?????? Baeza(?).
>
> The parents of Jasintha Truxeque:
> Francisco Diaz Truxeque and Antonia de Leon.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-16939-59532-44?**
> cc=1837906&wc=M99L-H91:**1817482911
>
>
> Can someone please fill in the full name of Maria _______ Baeza?
>
> Does anyone have this couple in their tree. They are my 5th Great
> Grandparents.
>
> Thanks,
> Roy
Here is a link to the website for the MEXICAN CULTURAL INSTITUTE, in Washington, DC.:
"Hello, I'm researching the families of my grandparents Placido SERNA Vargas & Clemencia RUBALCABA who I believe at least my grandfather lived at Rancho El Ocote, AGS.
This is just for the groups information with regards to Confirmations and
Baptisms being indexed equally:
From: Esther Jordan []
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:33 PM
To: joseph@nuestr
Mary Lou Serna-Armenta
I have also encountered the same problem with double records for the same person, and I am glad Esther Jordan has touched on the subject of needing a separate header for Confirmations.It can become a challenge trying to decipher which is the correct baptism date. I thought I was the only one having that problem. Thanks for the information.
Does anyone have information on Anastasia De Leon? She married Salvador Lopez. They had a son Jose Manuel Lopez who was born about 1770 in Jalisco.
Hi, my name if Francisco Escobar. I hit a brick wall with my earliest ancestor, Felipe Escovar or Escobar who married Maria Guadalupe Ramires or Ramirez.
Acevo Colonial Digital of Aguascalientes