Nuestros Ranchos Site

Solo quiero añadir una pequeña nota, originalmente Rubio denota a una persona pelirroja, el termino actual fue el resultado de el uso incorrecto de la palabra para denotar a cualquier persona de cabello claro y también de piel rosada a través de la historia, Rubio es igual que la palabra Rubicundo y existen mas palabras asociadas las cuales en la actualidad siguen denotando el color rojo, como Rubí, Rubeola, Rubor, etc.

En documentos antiguos es difícil definir a que color realmente se refieren.

RJ Quiralta

P.P. is definitely Padrinos in many of the records I've looked at. I suspect P.nos is also padrinos, but it would be helpful to see it in context.

Incidentally, some abbreviations I've often seen mistaken or un-noticed:
7bre = Septiembre (September used to be the 7th month, when the year began in March)
Some reseachers have mistaken the 7 for an F and concluded Febrero but it really is 7bre.
8bre = Octubre
9bre = Nobiembre
M (in the margin of the record) = Mujer, often the only clear indication of gender.
H (in the margin of the record) = Hombre ... frequently seen in christening records.
Stuart Armstrong

Hi there,

This site https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/en/abbrPtoT.aspx is very helpful in deciphering some of the documents I come across. Hope it helps!

-Erika

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Your grandfather is José Ambrocio. Ambrocia is a female's name. Some men to do have names such as José María but your grandfather's baptismal record clearly has him as J. Ambrocio (José Ambrocio). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-22578-52

La Ordeña is a ranch in Arandas, Jalisco which is next to San Diego de Alejandría where your grandfather was baptized. You can see a map of where it is located at http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/la-ordena-7 and it is very close to the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/manuel-martinez-valadez-agua-neg… . You can compare it with a map of Arandas that has larger ranches with small black squares and you can see the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez in the top right close to the border of San Diego de Alejandría at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Arandas_MBase2013.j…

La Ordeña means dairy farm but they also use it for a name in this case. Ordeñar means to extract milk and it most cases it is in reference to milking a cow.

Have you looked at all of the baptisms of the children of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre? They might mention the grandparents as the padrinos in one of the baptismal records.

Unfortunately it looks like you are out of luck with finding an información matrimonial in Tepa or Arandas for Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre prior to April 1771 when they had their first child.

The only other option will be to find a dispensa for a great-great grandchild of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre. There might be one because the following page shows Juan Francisco Hernández to be a son of Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia and of Juana Margarita Navarro Gaytán. A source is not cited so I don't know how reliable that information is. http://gw.geneanet.org/barbaybarba?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=hernandez…

Armando

Hi David,

I did a quick search on FamilySearch, I haven’t pulled any of the records, but here’s some little leads that might help you.

Juan Nicolas Mendoza was married to Maria Dorotea Serda, aka Maria Dorotea de Oballe (Ovalle). I haven't found their marriage nor parents, but I found baptism records for 6 possible children, between the years 1802 and 1819, in San Geronimo.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMH6-WGM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVZ-R85
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLV7-BYX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK71-D3R

You'll want to pull these records and check ranchos & padrinos.

Keep running searches using both "Maria Dorotea de la Serda" and "Maria Dorotea de Oballe." A prominent surname in Nueva Galicia is "Lopez de la Serda," so you might want to try running searches giving her the surname "Lopez."

Maria Bruna Gamez’s parents were Jose Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa de Ovalle. I found baptisms for a possible 7 children born between 1794 and 1815 in San Geronimo. Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa Ovalle appear with different combinations of names (Antonio Simon, Maria Simona, Maria de la Encarnacion) - these might not all be the same couple, but again, check the ranchos and the padrinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVD-KKM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV8-12Q
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSCD-WZK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1LK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1GQ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-VRP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-24G

I'm surprised Salvador and Maria Bruna didn't require a dispensa, both having "Ovalle" in their lines. I've been digging through my lines in Morelia, Tlazazalca and Patzcuaro, Michoacan, and "Serda," "Mendoza" and "Ovalle" all appear frequently in the 1600s. Might be a good place to check next, once the trail runs dry in San Geronimo.

Hope that helps, and Happy Holidays!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Hola Raul,

Las tres compañías principales que hacen análisis de ADN han actualizado
los resultados de todos los participantes en los últimos dos años. Si te
hiciste el análisis con una de esas compañías deberías volver a ver tus
resultados porque estoy casi 100% seguro que ya no te tienen con 80% de ADN
de Escandinavia y Alemania. Si no te has hecho una prueba con una de esas
compañías la deberías hacer para que veas resultados validos y no los
resultados erróneos que nos estas proporcionando.

La razón que hacen las pruebas diferente hoy comparado con antes es que
antes estaban totalmente equivocados en ciertas cosas y se dieron cuenta de
su error. Por eso tuvieron que actualizar los resultados de todos los
participantes en las tres compañías.

Por favor enséñame los estudios que tienen las cifras de 48% ADN Alemán
entre los mexicanos. Yo no he visto esos estudios y te podré comprobar que
no son estudios validos en caso que realmente dicen eso.

Si sabia la historia de los visigodos y que fueron una pequeña porción de
los grupos étnicos que han migrado a España. No fueron bastantes para que
afectaran tanto el ADN de los españoles. Y eso se nota con los resultados
actualizados en FTDNA, 23andme, y AncestryDNA.

Saludos,
Armando

2014-12-05 19:51 GMT-06:00 Raul Padilla :

> Hola Primo Armando, gracias por la informacion, lo de mi ADN fue hecho hace
> varios anos, desde cuando empezaron al publico. En lo que me equivoque fue
> en la traduccion del Ingles al Espanol de Scandinavian/German a
> "Sueco-Aleman" actualmente debe ser "Escandinavo-Aleman". Los Visigodos
> son originarios del sur de lo que hoy es Suecia (todavia existe la ciudad
> de Goteburg), despues de ayudarle al Imperio Romano se les dieron terrenos
> que hoy vienen siendo parte de la peninsula de Iberia, o sea Espana y
> Portugal. De por ahi vinieron a Las Americas como Espanoles (y
> Portugueses). La prueba de ADN que hice me puso a 80% Escandinavo-Aleman,
> 12% Mediterraneo, 4% Celtico y 4% de Siberia-Nativo Americano. Estudiando
> mi linea Padilla de Avila y Reynoso he encontrado antepasados Sefarditos,
> Vascos y de partes que hoy son de Italia. El punto de esta comunicacion es
> que la gran mayoria de lo blanco en nuestros razgos son sencillamente de
> Espana. De lo Celtico ha salido mucho en los Gallegos, tambien, son de
> Espana. De las cifras de 48% ADN Aleman se ha verificado en varios
> estudios, unos que se han visto aqui en Nuestros Ranchos. Lo de lo Nativo
> en Mexico de 32% salio de los estudios modernos donde intentan identificar
> los grupos etnicos de los Nativos. Creo que la confusion viene de como
> hacen las pruebas hoy comparado a antes. Un primo hermano Gonzalez-Reynoso
> acaba de tomar la prueba de ADN y no dice nada de lo Aleman, solo dice que
> 72% de Espana/Portugal, 6% Nativo, 2% Sefardito y 1% Africano (lo de mas no
> me acuerdo). Creo que lo que nos confunde es lo que se llama el "Snapshot"
> en Ingles, o sea, que tanto al pasado se estan haciendo las comparaciones.
> Disculpa tanta palabra, solo queria decirles a mis Primos que la gran
> mayoria de lo blanco viene de Espana, pero vinieron de otros lados antes de
> ser Espanoles. Diosito los Cuide! Raul
>
> 2014-12-05 16:02 GMT-08:00 :
>
>

Interesante. Segun este listado, el pueblo donde estan la mayoria de mis lineas, Zacoalco de Torres, fue fundado en 1524.

I would suggest she contact the migrant education program in California.  They work directly with many students across the state and might be able to put her in contact with families who have been affected by this type of situation. She can Google them and find their info. It is a national program.

Good luck!

Jessica

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Joseph Puentes Date:12/02/2014 3:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: general@nuestrosranchos.org Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and
Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations
This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net [mailto:gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

Hi Joseph!

I hope that this email finds you well! Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to work on my ancestry...I've been busy helping family members who have been ill and getting older. I'm writing to you with the hope that you would be open to helping me reach out to our Nuestros Ranchos group and any other group, family, and friends.

My daughter, Monique is completing her Family and Child Psychology doctorate dissertation on the impact of children who have had a primary caregiver deported or detained. She needs to find families for this very important study to share their experiences. Is it possible to ask you for your assistance in sending the information out to Nuestros Ranchos email group? Her study participants have to be living in California; however, it's important to share this study with everyone.

With her permission, I've added her intro below and I'm attaching the flyers in Spanish and English with all the details. Participants are encouraged to call her directly to ensure confidentiality. She is fluent in English and Spanish:) What do you say... would you help me spread the word? Thank you in advance!

Rosa

-

-

-

My name is Monique Gonzalez and I am a fifth year doctoral student from the California School of Professional Psychology in San Francisco. I am currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, applying for my post-doctoral internship. I am in the process of working on my dissertation,

entitled: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations.

The purpose of my study is to shed light on the experiences and feelings of Latino children who are separated from their primary caregiver through detention and/or deportation. I will be conducting individual interviews with children throughout California.

Citizenship or immigration status of the children are not relevant and will not be asked, and children can speak either English or Spanish (or both).

Children must:

- Be of Latino/Hispanic descent

- Be between 9 to 12 years old

- Experienced the deportation or detention (in relation to deportation) of their primary caregiver within the last three years.

- Child must be separated from their caregiver at the time of interview.

Each participating family receives a $25 Visa Gift Card, and the child receives a gift of school supplies. I have attached two flyers, one in English and another in Spanish. If you know of a family with an eligible child, please feel free to forward them the attached flyer. Interested guardians can leave me a message with their contact information and I will call them back directly. OR if preferred, the family may provide you permission to forward their information to me; I am happy to get in touch with them. This is often easier and feels more comfortable for the families.

Your participation will not need to continue beyond this point. I believe this is a much needed area of research and your support is invaluable! The study is CONFIDENTIAL and has been approved by the Institutional Review Board at CSPP-SF.

As you may all agree, this is an incredibly significant area of research that can provide families, advocates, and the psychological community a
deeper understanding of how to best support and provide culturally responsive interventions for these children. In my experience, thus far, it
truly helps when the family hears that you believe and trust in this study.

¡Muchísimas gracias!

Monique Gonzalez, M.A.

CSPP, Alliant International University San Francisco

Study Contact Info: (415) 617-9965
email LatinoChildStudy@gmail.com

what a wonderful project to share and help get the stories needed. I wish I knew someone who could do this.Linda Castanon-Long

From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net [mailto:gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

Hi Joseph!

I hope that this email finds you well!  Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to work on my ancestry...I've been busy helping family members who have been ill and getting older. I'm writing to you with the hope that you would be open to helping me reach out to our Nuestros Ranchos group and any other group, family, and friends. 

My daughter, Monique is completing her Family and Child Psychology doctorate dissertation on the impact of children who have had a primary caregiver deported or detained.  She needs to find families for this very important study to share their experiences.  Is it possible to ask you for your assistance in sending the information out to Nuestros Ranchos email group?  Her study participants have to be living in California; however, it's important to share this study with everyone.

With her permission, I've added her intro below and I'm attaching the flyers in Spanish and English with all the details.  Participants are encouraged to call her directly to ensure confidentiality.  She is fluent in English and Spanish:)  What do you say... would you help me spread the word?  Thank you in advance!

Rosa

-

-

-

My name is Monique Gonzalez and I am a fifth year doctoral student from the California School of Professional Psychology in San Francisco. I am currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, applying for my post-doctoral internship.  I am in the process of working on my dissertation,

entitled: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations.   

The purpose of my study is to shed light on the experiences and feelings of Latino children who are separated from their primary caregiver through detention and/or deportation.  I will be conducting individual interviews with children throughout California. 

Citizenship or immigration status of the children are not relevant and will not be asked, and children can speak either English or Spanish (or both).

Children must:

-      Be of Latino/Hispanic descent

-      Be between 9 to 12 years old

-      Experienced the deportation or detention (in relation to deportation) of their primary caregiver within the last three years.

-      Child must be separated from their caregiver at the time of interview. 

Each participating family receives a $25 Visa Gift Card, and the child receives a gift of school supplies. I have attached two flyers, one in English and another in Spanish.  If you know of a family with an eligible child, please feel free to forward them the attached flyer. Interested guardians can leave me a message with their contact information and I will call them back directly.  OR if preferred, the family may provide you permission to forward their information to me; I am happy to get in touch with them. This is often easier and feels more comfortable for the families.

Your participation will not need to continue beyond this point.  I believe this is a much needed area of research and your support is invaluable!  The study is CONFIDENTIAL and has been approved by the Institutional Review Board at CSPP-SF.

As you may all agree, this is an incredibly significant area of research that can provide families, advocates, and the psychological community a
deeper understanding of how to best support and provide culturally responsive interventions for these children. In my experience, thus far, it
truly helps when the family hears that you believe and trust in this study.

¡Muchísimas gracias!

Monique Gonzalez, M.A.

CSPP, Alliant International University San Francisco

Study Contact Info:  (415) 617-9965
email LatinoChildStudy@gmail.com

Raquel,

Do you have the following in your Ruiz Family Tree:

Eduardo Ruiz married Anastacia Hinojosa

Children:
Martin Ruiz (b.around 1872) married Gregoria Valdez (b. around 1888)
Hipolito Ruiz
Marcial Ruiz
Victor Ruiz
Aleja Ruiz

Martin Ruiz (my maternal great grandfather) Children:
Petra
Sebastiana b. 1914 (my maternal grandmother)
Jose Bernave
Todocia b. 29 May 1921
Rufina
Crecensia
Francisco

Thanks,
Rosalva

Carlos Peredo

Hello Raquel,

I haven´t researched Diego Ruíz Núñez but I have a guess that he may be a son of Pedro Ruíz de Velasco y Haro Navarrete born ca 1588 in Ayamonte, Spain and Anna Núñez Bohórquez also from Ayamonte, this couple married around 1615 and had the following documented children:

Pedro Ruíz de Haro y Velasco Navarrete b20-nov-1618 in Mexico City

Mencía Ruíz de Velasco y Haro born around 1630, she married Diego Hernández Gamiño y Gómez de Espejo circa 1650 (probably in León, Gto or Aguascalientes)

María Ruíz de Velasco Núñez who married Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño in León, Gto in 1653

Chronology fits very well because Diego Ruíz Núñez must have been born around 1620, marry Catalina Delgadillo around 1645 and then their son Diego Ruíz Núñez II could have been born around 1650 and marry Ana González de Hermosillo around 1675, so their first son Blas was baptized on feb, 6th 1676.
I think we will know soon if this hipothesis is correct or not.

Carlos A. Peredo

Hola Enrique,

Que bueno que se te esta interesando esto. Los de The Genographic Project
no pueden enviar un kit de ADN a México. Solo FamilyTreeDNA tiene la
posibilidad de enviar un kit a México que consiste de dos hisopos. Los kits
de las otras compañías consiste de tubos de colección en que se tiene que
escupir y se me hace que es por eso que no se pueden enviar a México.

En ciertas cosas The Genographic Project es mejor aún casi cualquier
resultado que hubieras podido obtener con esa prueba podrás obtener con las
varias pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA. A la vez hay resultados que se pueden
obtener con FamilyTreeDNA que no se puede obtener con The Genographic
Project. Eso aunque es el mismo laboratorio en Houston mantenido por
FamilyTreeDNA.

Hay un descuento en las pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA hasta el 31 de diciembre y
hay cupones que te podré conseguir para que te salga todavía mas barata las
pruebas. Tengo un cupón de $25 que expira mañana.

La prueba del ADN autosómico se llama Family Finder y esa prueba se puede
conocer con mejor precisión el origen étnico del ADN que has heredado de
todos tus ancestros. No se hereda todo el ADN de todos los antepasados pero
si se hereda una parte de casi todos en las ultimas cinco generaciones y de
varios de las ultimas quince generaciones. Hay una porción que se hereda de
generaciones muchas mas remotos. Esa prueba también te dará una lista de
personas que coinciden contigo en el ADN autosómico.The Genographic Project
no da esa lista y no se pueden subir los resultados a Gedmatch.

La prueba de la cromosoma Y se trata estrictamente de la linea paterna. Esa
prueba te dirá a cual haplogrupo perteneces, cuales son las mutaciones de
los marcadores STR en el ADN-Y, y también te dará una lista de personas que
coinciden contigo en los marcadores STR. The Genographic Project no hace la
prueba de marcadores STR ni de personas que coinciden con uno.

La prueba del ADNmt se trata estrictamente de la linea materna. Te dará la
lista de mutaciones del ADNmt y aparte una lista de personas que coinciden
contigo. Es la prueba mas limitada de todas por la razón que se tarda mas
en mutarse.

Hace un año había empezado un blog en español, que nunca actualicé, que se
trata de esto. La dirección es https://adnygenealogia.wordpress.com/

Yo envié un kit a México a un tío hace dos años en Navidad y se tardó un
mes para que llegara a su casa en Guadalajara. Otros parientes retirados
han recibido un kit dentro de dos semanas. Aquí en EEUU se tarda una semana
para llegar. El reenvío a EEUU tarda lo mismo para que llegue. Una prima y
yo acabamos de comprar kits para su mamá y un tío de nosotros que viven en
Jalisco.

Envíame un correo si quieres el cupón. Va a ver mas cupones la semana que
entra pero no se si vaya a ver de $25.

Saludos,
Armando

2014-11-29 16:55 GMT-06:00 :

> Hola a todos,
> Me ha interesado mucho uno de los temas que se han tocado últimamente en
> el foro y es el de las pruebas de ADN para conocer con mejor precisión el
> origen étnico de nuestros antepasados. Ya que estudio Medicina conozco bien
> el fundamento de estas pruebas por lo que mis dudas van en relación a lo
> siguiente:
>
> Estuve leyendo que las principales compañías que realizan estas pruebas
> son FamilyTreeDNA y National Geographic a través de The Genographic
> Project, y por lo que ví me convence más la segunda opción. Sin embargo, me
> gustaría saber, ¿Cuál ha sido su experiencia con las dos organizaciones en
> caso de que ya se hayan realizado estas pruebas?
>
> Segundo, si vivo en México es posible realizar todo el procedimiento de
> envío y reenvío del kit con las muestras? Alguien de ustedes que viva en
> México ha podido hacerlo?
>
> De antemano les agradezco sus respuestas.
>
> Enrique Agraz

Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask questions about their different tests.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:29:36 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent! I am
> wondering if Maria Cortez or anyone else can share how/where one goes about
> testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
> Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University. Also, does anyone know how much
> African DNA one needs to have to be able to obtain more specific
> information re areas of origin in Africa than the larger regional areas
> provided by FTDNA? And where one would get it done? I looked at the
> 23andMe website but it didn't really offer much information.
>
> Hopefully this gets posted in time to encourage more member to watch the
> program!

The upgrade of the site this morning was NOT successful. We will be making another attempt tomorrow morning (Sunday November 30).

La actualización del sitio esta mañana no fue exitosa. Intentaremos mañana por la mañana (domingo 30 de noviembre).

The search function is half-functional again. Please note that the website has been experiencing some serious technical issues for the last three weeks as our web server provider upgraded the operating system on the server and the software running our website is not compatible. We will be rebuilding the website early tomorrow morning which should resolve many of these issues.

Efectivamente it is not working at all. Hopefully someone will fix the problem

i know i've came accross a document linking bernarda, but i can't remember where at the moment. i think this doucment said she had a sister name josefa.

If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar de Tejada"

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Sent from my iPhone

I hope a lot of people take advantage of the sale. If anyone gets a coupon
for a Y-DNA test that they don't need and are willing to share please email
me. I have some relatives from the region of our study that would like to
purchase a Y-DNA test.

Thank you,
Armando

Maria, looking forward to watching this episode tonight! :)

when did we help exactly?

Alfonso Reynoso Rabago

En FamilySearch, en un registro de Lagos de Moreno, Altos de Jalisco (antes Villa de Santa María de los Lagos) precisamente de donde es originaria tu mamá, se encuentra este registro del siglo XVI:

Antonio Tabares

matrimonio: 28 noviembre 1573
Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico

padre: Pedro Tabares

madre: Anna Rodriguez

cónyuge: Maria Ernandes

He dedicado un poco de tiempo al estudio de los Tavares o Tabares de los Altos de Jalisco donde aparece con frecuencia este apellido como bien lo dice uno de los colaboradores, de origen portugués.

Mario,

Hici un pequeno busqueda ahoro, y esto es lo que encontre sobre los Tavares, primero hay los padres con sus hijos, y despues las filiminas en donde se puede encontrar los registros:

Hermenegildo Tabares caso con Maria Ignacia Azpeitia, en 1833 y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:

1- Jose Eligio (1833)
2- Francisco (1835)
3- Juana (1837)
4- Jose Celso (1838)
5- Maria del Rosario (1839)
6- Maria Salome (1841)
7- Jose Francisco (1842)
8- J. Ricardo (1844)
9- Cipriano (1846)
10- Eutimia (1848)

Dimas Ortiz se caso con Maria Paula Macias en 1826, y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:

1- Maria Petra (1827)
2- Ma. Viviana (1828)
3- Dionicia (1830)
4- Mariana (1831)
5- Juana (1833)
6- Tiburcio (1837)
7- Ma. Juliana (1841)

EligioTavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en 1862, y tuvieron los siguientes hijos:

1- Nemencia (1862)
2- Ma. Espiridiona (1863)
3- Plasida (1865)
4- Benigna (1867)
5- Eulalia (1869)
6- Jose Merced (1873)
7- Sostenes (1874)
8- Andres (1880)

Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
0221430 Bautismos 1824-1828 C604151
05 FEB 1827 MARIA PETRA ORTIS MASIAS
08 FEB 1828 MA. VIVIANA ORTIS MASIAS

0221431 Bautismos 1828-1832 C604152
14 ABR 1830 DIONICIA ORTIS MACIAS
24 JUL 1831 MARIANA ORTIS MACIAS

0221432 Bautismos 1832-1835 C604153
30 MAY 1833 JUANA ORTIS MASIAS
05 DIC 1833 JOSE ELIGIO TABARES ESPITIA
08 OCT 1835 FRANCO. TABARES ESPITIA

0221433 Bautismos 1836-1839 C604154
11 FEB 1837 JUANA TABARES ESPITIA
16 ABR 1837 TIBURCIO ORTIS MASIAS
07 ABR 1838 JOSE CELSO TABARES ASPETIA

0221434 Bautismos 1839-1842 C604155
13 OCT 1839 MA. DEL ROSARIO TABARES ESPITIA
14 ENE 1841 MA. JULIANA ORTIZ MACIAS
28 MAR 1841 MA. SALOME TABARES ESPITIA

0221435 Bautismos 1842-1845 C604156
07 OCT 1842 JOSE FRANCISCO TABARES ESPITIA
08 ABR 1844 J. RICARDO TABARES ESPITIA

0221436 Bautismos 1845-1848 C604157
01 OCT 1846 CIPRIANO TABARES ESPITIA

0221437 Bautismos 1848-1850 J604158 & K604158
31 DIC 1848 EUTIMIA TABARES ESPITIA

0221444 Bautismos 1861-1863 C604166
02 NOV 1862 NEMENCIA TAVAREZ ORTIZ

0221445 Bautismos 1863-1865 C604167
18 DIC 1863 MA. ESPIRIDIONA TABARES ORTIZ
15 OCT 1865 PLASIDA TAVARES ORTIZ

0221446 Bautismos 1865-1867 C604168
17 FEB 1867 BENIGNA TABARES ORTIZ

0221449 Bautismos 1868-1869 C604171
14 FEB 1869 EULALIA TAVARES MACIAS

0221453 Bautismos 1873-1875 J604175 & K604175
28 SEP 1873 JOSE MERCED TAVAREZ ORTIZ
29 NOV 1874 SOSTENES TAVARES ORTIZ

0221522 Matrimonios 1822-1830 M604192
28 MAY 1826 DIMAS ORTIS & MA. PAULA MACIAS

0221523 Matrimonios 1830-1835 M604193
04 JUL 1833 HERMENEGILDO TABARES & MA. YGNA. ESPITIA

0221527 Matrimonios 1859-1863 M604197
23 ENE 1862 ELIGIO TAVARES & JULIANA ORTIS

Si, encuentro mas, voy a mandarlo.

Jonathan