Nuestros Ranchos Site

Is everyone able to read the "files" and the "links" on the 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos

homepage?

in the top corner where it says "Welcome" does your page say "Welcome
Guest" or does it say "Welcome and then your email address?"

if it says Welcome Guest then you need to sign in.

if you've never registered then you need to register to get a free ID
and Password.

If you have any problems doing this contact me at makas@... and
we'll work on it until we are successful at getting you logged in let
me know.

here are the instructions for doing that:

go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/

up in the top right click on "Register"

fill out the form (FREE) carefully writting down whatever ID and
password you choose (This part is critical!!!)

put the paper you wrote down your ID and Password in a safe place
(don't do like me and have to go hunting for those little scattered
pieces of paper I have with various and sundry passwords and id's)

After you've done this you'll have a Free

Deena Ortiz has updated the Charles Clark's Ulloa y Rodriguez
Genealogy on Rootsweb. 

Have a look:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=nochistlan&I11.x=24&I11.y=4

Thanks Deena
Thanks Charles

19. Historical Maps
http://bell.lib.umn.edu/hist/

The James Ford Bell Library at the University of Minnesota provides the
Historical Maps page as part of their main Web site. Users can view more
than fifty maps online, each of which contain a short description of what
the map is depicting. One example is a navigational map of Africa and the
Atlantic and Indian Oceans that was designed to illustrate the first Dutch
expedition to Java undertaken by Cornelis de Houtman in 1597. The maps can
be viewed in fine detail and are quite fascinating to view and learn about.
Anyone interested in history, cartography, or other similar subjects should
enjoy exploring the collection. [JAB]

Que tal Jose. . .welcome to the group,

Others can add to this. . .I'd say that you need to find your local
Family History Center and pay it a visit. It is a small genealogical
library that is part of the Larger Family History Library of Salt Lake
City. There are many branches all over the world and probably one close
to you. You don't need to be a member of the LDS Mormon church to use
these facilities and the cost for viewing film is very affordable.

To find your closest Family History Center go to this webpage:

http://www.familysearch.org

click on the tab at the top labeled "Library"

The on the next window click on the Link for  "Family History Centers."

fill in all the info asked for and see if there is a Family History
Center (FHC) close to you. I and a couple of others are Volunteers at
FHC's. I'm not a Mormon and they have let me do this. I'm learning a lot
about non-Hispanic Genealogy by working there every other Thursday.

Anyway don't be concerned about

My mane is Jose Rizo and I am looking for informaton About my great-
gradfather Estanislao Rizo. Steven Harnandez told me to look in some 
microfilms from las parroqias de arandas and I think familysearch.org 
might have them, bt I do not know how to access them or look at them. 
Can some one please explain to me how to look for microfilms and how 
to view them.  

Okay we're at 17K out of the 20K allowance in the "Files" section. I'm
going to delete the 1817 Census pages. have a look at them and if they
are of your area download them to your computer. If later you want them
again let me know and I'll email them to you off group.

joseph

Joseph,

yes I have 3 films ordered from that bunch.........problem is I needed the "hijos naturales".........but we will see what pops up!!!



Stella

This too shall pass.............

I thought there was one or two of you that is looking for relatives 
in the Totatiche area. I found this interesting film yesterday and 
would encourage you to do a "Film/Fiche" search of the 
http://www.familysearch.org website [go to the library catalog and 
under the place search tab you'll see the film/fiche search tab].

look up film number: 758093

joseph

. . .oh i forgot to say it was for a Padron in 1773

Okay I'm not planning on sending this out to the group forever. But 
after a few more days of it I'll consider sending it out to those 
that contact me off. Evaluate it and let me know through private email

joseph

Well, Live and learn...........lol

I had ordered just the bautismos..........my grandmother belongs to......you guessed it the other section...........but hopefully when those films finally arrive I can find some of the brothers and sisters who came later....legitamitely  (sp?)



Stella

This too shall pass.............

In your quote "hijo legitimo y vivo natural de {women's name}" where 
you have {woman's name} does the record show the mother's name?  Or 
is it a town's name?  Because natural could also mean native of...
Most of the marriage records I've examined usually specify the 
person's place of origin and current place of residence to identify 
the parrish they belong to.  For example, "Gregorio Orozco hijo 
legítimo de Juan Orozco y Maria González, natural de Santa María y 
vecino de San Nicolás parroquia de Ixtlahuacán el tiempo de 2 años..."

I don't mean to confuse things, but sometimes I've had to re-read  
records two or three times to decipher the meaning. It also helps to 
read other records from the same book to see what format the priest 
(or notario) followed and just to familiarize yourself with the 
handwriting.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Your explanation is the way I understand the terminology also...but 
I 
> have come across

I'm a little confused. On Rootsweb you have that he was married to
Leonarda Ramirez. . .was Paula Banuelos his second wife?

here are a couple of possible relations:

GUADALUPE MACIAS BANUELOS

Male
22 MAR 1857 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  FRANCISCO MACIAS Family

Mother: JUANA BANUELOS
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C611043 1845 - 1863 1158275
=================

JUAN MACIAS BANUELOS

Male
11 DEC 1859 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  FRANCISCO MACIAS Family

Mother: SUSANA BANUELOS
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C604644 1857 - 1860 0443683
===============

joseph


zendean1 wrote:

I am looking for the ancestors of Francisco Macias from
Zacatecas, Mexico. He was married to Paula Banuelos of Zacatecas.
His family later settled in El Paso, Texas. His son, Feliciano was
my grandfather. Also from Zacatecas. I have names but no data and
locatio

Your explanation is the way I understand the terminology also...but I 
have come across two records which don't make sense to me.  What I 
have seen in the past is that for illegitimate children usually it 
will say "hijo natural de {women's name} y padre no conicido."  A 
baptism record I have says "hijo legitimo de {women's name}" then it 
doesn't mention a father.  Then on this person marriage record it 
says, "hijo legitimo y vivo natural de {women's name}" and again no 
mention of a father.  The mother and son have the same last name.  
Does anyone know what this means?  If the person was born out of 
wedlock then why doens't it just say "hijo natural?"

Any insights would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks,
Angie

Bautismos are for legitimate children.  Bautismos de hijos naturales (natural children) are for illegitimate and/or out-of-wedlock children, in other words what was once referred to as "bastard" children.  Priests would keep the two separate.  The naturales were looked down upon somewhat.  But at the same time, I've seen both legitimate and illegitimate baptized children in the same book.



Steven H.

   I am looking for the ancestors of Francisco Macias from 
Zacatecas, Mexico.  He was married to Paula Banuelos of Zacatecas. 
His family later settled in El Paso, Texas. His son, Feliciano was 
my grandfather. Also from Zacatecas. I have names but no data and 
locations to search. My genealogy is on line at rootsweb.com 
under "the Jose Luis Macias family tree".  Is there another 'Macias" 
who would lkie to correspond and exchange information?

What is the difference in

"bautismos"   and

"bautismos de hijos naturales"  ????



Stella

This too shall pass.............

Steven - You found my grandpa's (Isidoro) side of the family - wow what information - and yes, my grandma's name is Librada.  My mother and aunts are going to be thrilled to see this info.  Again, Steven you are a wealth of information and I THANK YOU for finding my grandpa's side of the family.  I just can't thank you enough.



Your prima

Roberta Romero

Sorry, to inconvenience you.  I signed up for your group thinking now would be a good time to do all the research I have been wanting to do on the Alvarez name.  However, it seems my career has a mind of it's own and are presently unable to dedicate the time needed to the just cause.  Can you please remove me from your group.  Thank you.





 Sandra Alvarez

 Senior Staff Accountant

 McDermott, Will & Emery

 (tel) 312.984.6909

 (fax)312.984.3476

 salvarez@...





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With this message I would like to point out the importance of having a wide variety of resources, besides just archival records available through microfilm.  Joseph has made the very valid point of consulting books and other printed material.  Also important is having connections and lasting friendships with people in the areas you are researching.  These connections can more often than not provide you with some information you otherwise wouldn't have access to.



In researching the question that Roberta Romero of New Mexico had for me, as to her ancestor (Is it grandfather?  I don't know.) Isidoro Martín, married to Librada Martín, and son of Margarito Martín.  Isidoro was supposedly born around 1905 in Capilla de Guadalupe.  I have a cousin, good friend, and fellow genealogist who lives in Capilla de Guadalupe, by the name of Hugo Moisés Orozco Barba.  The people at the Registro Civil know him well and give him access to the notarial records.  He was able to go

If any of you have any Bibliographys you'd like to contribute please
send them to me and I'll add a file in the files section. The
Bibliography I just added came from a book called "Los Altos de Jalisco"
by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez.

There is the table of contents for this book and also a listing of
various Archives at the end of the Bibliography.

Many of the books listed in the bibliography cover a wider geographic
area than the Los Altos area.

Joseph

This may be of interest to the group:

These place names and their translations (see attachment) are
excerpts from a 100 - page booklet written by Gen. Gabriel Gavira and
apparently privately published in Mexico in 1953 (no publisher or
city given). The booklet is titled: 'NOMBRES INDIGENAS DE TODAS LAS
CIUDADES Y MUNICIPIOS DE LA REPUBLICA MEXICANA. Traduccion de su
significado en castellano.' Gavira states that '...el objeto
principal de este folleto es el de difundir los nombres indígenas y
su significado entre los moradores de los pueblos...'

Some of these translations may be out of date, given the early
publication date; but some place names and their translations I
haven't been able to find anywhere else. If anyone is aware of a
more current similar publication could you perhaps inform the group?

Also, if anyone would like names/translations from any other Mexican
state in this booklet just contact me. This attachment contains
native place names from