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Hello everyone.  In response to Joseph's quite valid question, or rather comment, of course I've seen both men and women use either part or all of their mother's surname, which could have also been her mother's surname.  This was far more common for women to do, by far, but there are cases where I've seen men do this also.



I just found a Juan Camarena in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, whose father was Antonio Rodríguez and his mother was Antonia Camarena.  Juan Camarena was married to Josepha Joaquina Tello de Orozco (aka Josefa Joaquina de Orozco) under the name "Juan Rodríguez," but proceeded to call himself Juan Camarena everytime he baptized a child.  By the time of his grandchildren, he was always refered to as Juan Camarena.  This complicated things because for the longest time I was looking for a Juan Camarena.  Boy was I surprised to find out he was really a Rodríguez!!  Who really knows why Juan decided to use his mother's name, but it might be some psychological

Have you all experienced individuals using their maternal grandmothers
name for some records?

I have two instances when in one case the man was named with a surname
that could only be explained if he was using his maternal grandmothers
last name. (note this one example was the only time I saw this for a
man). I also have a marriage record for a woman that was using her
maternal grandmothers last name.

Have you all seen this before? It is getting to be pretty common for me
to find records with individuals using their mothers name rather than
their fathers name but this use of the maternal grandmothers last name
has me questioning the records I'm looking at.

thanks,

joseph

Very nicely done. I saw some things here especially on the Military that
might very well help me later. Lot of good stuff. thanks so much I very
much appreciate your contribution to the group.

I'd like to make a proposal to the group. . .There are roughly 50 of us
now in the group. If each one of us were to contribute one such article
like Rosalinda's that is infopacked but to the point we'd have one
message per week to consider for the advancement of our genealogy.
Consider it a challenge. One time per year is not asking very much.

thanks Rosalinda,

joseph


rosa9972 wrote:

Hi group--

For those of you just beginning your genealogy research (or anyone
else interested in Mexican genealogy), I found some links from
www.familysearch.org that may be helpful. Look under the Files
section, in the Aah-ther Stuff file, under Familysearch Links.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda



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Hi group--

For those of you just beginning your genealogy research (or anyone 
else interested in Mexican genealogy), I found some links from 
www.familysearch.org that may be helpful.  Look under the Files 
section, in the Aah-ther Stuff file, under Familysearch Links.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

Welcome Arnoldo!

My grandma is from Totatiche, as well as her ancestors.  I have 
quite a bit of info, so maybe we can share notes to see if we're 
cousins.  Many people from Totatiche are related to each other.  
Once you post your genealogy, I'll be able to see if you're 
related.  Check out my files too!  Stella and I are cousins, and we 
met through this group!

Rosalinda 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arnoldo Garcia  
wrote:
> Hello,
>  Just joined this group.  Looking forward in meeting with many of 
you.
>  My Fathers family is from Villa Guerrero ( Juanacatic ) Jalisco, 
and my 
>  Mothers family is from Totatiche, Jalisco.
>  I have just begun but have do have some information.
>  Thanks, for letting me in this group.
>  Arnoldo 
> 
> 

Arnoldo,

my family to is from Totatiche, and there are some cousins floating around here in this group too!! So we may have the same family



Stella

This too shall pass.............

I wish I could go. . .if any of you all can possibly make it to this meeting
please take detailed notes and give us a report. thanks,



joseph



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Villa San Agustin de Laredo
Genealogical Society


Villa San Agustin de Laredo Genealogical Society 

will meet on:

	Date:  		Thursday, June 26, 2003
            Time:        	7:00 P. M.   - 9:00 P. M. 
            Speaker:  	Raul J. Guerra
            Topic:       	"Marriage Dispensation Requests and how to extend
                               	your family tree, using the GUERRA family
as an example"
            Place:       	Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
                               	1520 Hillside Road

Raul J. Guerra was born and raised in the Rio Grade Valley (McAllen and

Hi Alicia,

My family is originally from el Remolino and
Guadalajarita, Zacatecas.  I have numerous relatives
in Contitlan and Moyahua, as well.  My paternal
grandmother was a Carrillo from her mother's side.  

Yes, it is true.....There is quite a bit of
intermarrying that has gone on, and continues to go
on.  That is the beauty of family genealogy, you can
actually see who married who and when.  That also
explains why many times you can tell what region of
mexico someone is from.  One good example - do you
know any Gonzalez?  Usually they are of light
complexion and have a distinguished looking nose.  AND
many times they are from Jalisco. 

I currently live near Fresno, CA.  I have lived here
my entire life.  I have a brother and sister that live
in San Jose and 2 brothers that live in Fremont.

     -Esther


--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Hello Esther Valencia,
>  
> This is Alicia Carrillo and I have barely begun the
> search for my family roots and history.
>  
>

Yep theres a lot of that going on.....my great grandmother and her husband where 2nd cousins......

Stella

This too shall pass.............

What would be weird is if your family DIDN'T have cousins that married one
another. My Grandfather Julio was 3rd cousin to my Grandmother Virginia.
It looked for awhile there that they were 2nd cousins until I discovered
that in 1793 two twin boys were born and the parents (Vicente Diaz and Hipolita
Rivas) were so thrilled with them that they named both of them the same name,
Jose Tadeo Diaz. One of the Tadeo's when on to be the bisabuelo to my grandfather
and the other the bisabuelo to my grandmother.



yup Genealogy is sooo coool.



joseph





Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Hello Esther Valencia,

 

This is Alicia Carrillo and I have barely begun the search for my
family roots and history.

 

Where do you live now and is it the same place where you grew up.

 

All of my life I have heard of relatives who were cousins and married
to cousins. I always thought that our family was weird and that our family
was the only I'd ever heard of that had inter-married with

Hi, my name is Esther Valencia - maiden name REYNOSO.  I have been
researching my family genealogy for approximately 3 years now. 

My family originates in the area of Juchipila, Zacatecas.  I have had
a wonderful time searching for and discovering my ancestry.  I am
slowly discovering

Hi, my name is Esther Valencia - maiden name REYNOSO.  I have been
researching my family genealogy for approximately 3 years now.  

My family originates in the area of Juchipila, Zacatecas.  I have had
a wonderful time searching for and discovering my ancestry.  I am
slowly discovering that many people I grew up with are actually
distant relatives.  I have learned so much about my origin and am very
excited about preserving this for my future grandchildren and
grandchildrens-children.  

I have submitted my genealogy to Joseph.  I am looking forward to
working with all of you!!
Sincerely,
     -Esther Valencia

Rosalinda,


		I have run across the Cordova last name. What time frame are you looking
at here? Let me know.


								Arturo Romero

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>       1. Autl=E1n de la Grana, Jalisco
>            From: Joseph Puentes 
>       2. An Update: The Sandoval Family of Huejucar
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>    Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:01:03 -0400
>    From: Joseph Puentes 
> Subject: Autl=E1n de la Grana

The question from Rosalinda made me smile: Am I my own 
cousin? 

Here in New Mexico we are!!  I am my 4th cousin, and 6th cousin 
once removed.  So my Mom is my cousin.

Gloria

Hi group!!

I just viewed the baptismal record of my great grandpa, Francisco 
SANDOVAL, who was baptised in Totatiche.  I had been looking for his 
grandparents' names, and now I have them.  Francisco was the son of 
Urbano SANDOVAL, originally from Huejucar, and Urbano was the son of 
Jose Maria SANDOVAL and Juana BERUMES.  I looked up this couple, and 
discovered that Jose Maria's parents were Leon SANDOVAL and Maria 
Guadalupe VAZQUEZ.  I'm still gethering information based on my 
findings, and I know some people from the group come from the 
Sandoval line.  I do need to order the films for HUEJUCAR, but now 
both my parents have ancestors who lived in the same HUEJUCAR area-- 
they sure didn't know that until I started working on my family 
tree!!  Am I my own cousin?  ;)

Has anyone come across the CORDOVA family of Huejucar?  My gt gt 
grandma, Manuela CORDOVA, was born in Huejucar, and her parents were 
Pablo CORDOVA and Romana ELIAS.  I just wondered if anyone had come 
across

thought this would be of interest if anyone is doing research in this area:

Record # 51 (Select) Title: Crónicas de Autlán de la Grana,
Jalisco / Ernesto Medina Lima. Portion of title : Autlán de la
Grana, Jalisco Author: Medina Lima, Ernesto, 1917-
Published: Guadalajara, Jalisco, México : Universidad de
Guadalajara, 2000.

Holdings:

Perkins --- 972.35 M491, C947, 2000
c.1 Checked Out Due: 5/31/2004
Edition: 1. ed.

Subject Heading(s) : Autlán de Navarro (Mexico)--History.
Autlán de Navarro (México) Historia.
Material: 283 p. ; 22 cm.
Notes : Includes bibliographical references.
LCCN: 2001328553 OCLC: 46319794 System ID No: BKU-6894

BRENDEEN LONGORIA wrote:

This is Brendeen Longoria  I just joined the research group and looking
around the web site to understand better how you all are approaching this
project.  I need to send my ged.com files in and will do that this weekend. 
Is that the format that fits into this program? 

I'm not sure which Program you are using but if you have the option to produce
a RTF Word (formatted Text) file that would work well for most to see.

Does everyone download the files to view them so we are coordinating
our searches?

Well so far the way i looks is that as new people come into the group everyone
looks over their genealogy to see if the new person might be researching
a specific area they are researching. If so then the information is looked
over to see if any of the individuals are recognized.



Well at least that is what I'm doing. it is difficult but I try to keep an
idea of what areas people are researching and provide maps

I had intended on taking that conversation with Alicia about the
problems she was having logging into Yahoo off the group.

As you can see I failed in this attempt. I'll try harder next time. .
.its late and I wasn't paying attention.

sorry,

joseph

wonderful. . .I get nervous with this stuff because I can get so flustered
with it so quickly. . .I have a confession. When I was encouraging you to
be patient I was saying that only to force myself to be patient. I was concerned
that I would so quickly throw my hands up and say "heck if I know." thankfully
it never reached that point. And if I hadn't made that confession I could
have remained on that high plateau you had me on. . .nope not me I'm down
in the trenches with everybody else. Just a loco thats wingin it.



by the way you're from San Jo right? Have you ever heard of that Ramirez
lady that lives in San Jose that wrote that Genealogy book? I just got it
on interlibrary loan because it talks about Miranda and Lugo (names on my
dads maternal side of the family). Unfortuneately for me they all seem to
have come from Sinaloa instead. but there is some very good info on the early
California Ranchos in the book. If you are interested I have the book in
my car and I'll get you the

Okay I'm sure there are several of you out there that can't access the "files, photos, Links" and other non-public files that are available to this Yahoo Group. Here is why mostlikely. . .you haven't registered with Yahoo. You need to register with Yahoo and get your own ID and Password. Here are direction on how to do this. If any of this is even  a little bit unclear then email me and if you are patient we'll work on this together and eventually get it. . .the key word there is being patient.

so here are the instructions on how to get your free ID and password:

go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/

up in the top right click on "Register"

fill out the form (FREE) carefully writing down whatever ID and password you choose (This part is critical!!!)

put the paper you wrote down

Okay I'm sure there are several of you out there that can't access the "files, photos, Links" and other non-public files that are available to this Yahoo Group. Here is why mostlikely. . .you haven't registered with Yahoo. You need to register with Yahoo and get your own ID and Password. Here are direction on how to do this. If any of this is even  a little bit unclear then email me and if you are patient we'll work on this together and eventually get it. . .the key word there is being patient.

so here are the instructions on how to get your

Okay I'm sure there are several of you out there that can't access the "files,
photos, Links" and other non-public files that are available to this Yahoo
Group. Here is why mostlikely. . .you haven't registered with Yahoo.
You need to register with Yahoo and get your own ID and Password. Here are
direction on how to do this. If any of this is even  a little bit unclear
then email me and if you are patient we'll work on this together and eventually
get it. . .the key word there is being patient.



so here are the instructions on how to get your free ID and password:



go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/




up in the top right click on "Register"



fill out the form (FREE) carefully writing down
whatever ID and password you choose (This part is critical!!!)



put the paper you wrote down your ID and Password in a safe place (don't
do like me and have to go hunting for those little scattered pieces of paper
I have with various and sundry passwords and id's)



After you've done this