Que tal Amigos;
Sigo con el proyecto genealogico de Santa Anita, Jalisco.
Les comparto este enlace.
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Mr/Ms Hernandez ---------(sorry I don't know your name, you did not sign your post),
I checked Family Search for all the Villalpandos/Vialpandos listed for Spain and they all originated in Valla
Emily
Do you have information on Tomas Villalpando who married (1) Maria de Vargas (m 1677), and later (2) Maria de Jaen (or de Sotelo) (m 1690), in Aguascalientes? There are several children by the first wife, and numerous others by the second. Apparently he is from Leon, Guanajuato.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Maria de Vargas was also known as Maria de Heredia. I have not identified her parents yet, but
is probably related to Angela and Maria de Heredia daughters of Alonso de Heredia and
Antonia de Caceres who later married Bartolome Garcia de Leon.
Daniel Méndez Camino
I uploaded a doc on my Vialpando line. All are from New Mexico except Juan de Villa el Pando that married Urusla Olaes and his son Juan de Villalpando that is supposed to be from Jerez.
Amalia Hernandez Arias
George,
No, I don't know about a Tomas Villalpando. I only recently found out that my husband's gggg-grandparents, Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan were not Indians, they were espanoles, and Maria de San Juan did have a surname that the records didn't always include. I found so many couples named Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan, and I picked the wrong one. She used several surnames---Trillo, Villalpando, Belasco, etc. We finally found out that she was born to Antonio Trillo and Mariana Villalpando in Aguascalientes. Mariana's parents were Diego Villalpando and Ysabel Losano de Gardea. Mariana had siblings named Gertrudis, Joseph and Christobal, but no Tomas, not that I have found. I didn't find any of my husband's in Leon, Guanajuato.
The reason I was checking the Family Search indexes for Vialpando/Villalpando/Billalpando in various states in Mexico is that one of our members wanted to know where Villa de Leon was, and I saw on the index that most of the Vialpando/Villalpando originated in Mexico City, then Puebla, then went north to Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, and only a few to Zacatecas and Durango. There are dozens of Vialpandpo/Villalpando in the lists for Leon, Guanajuato.
Have you checked the archives for 18th century New Mexico? I didn't know there were so many Vialpandos there, I had only looked in Mexico. There are lots in Spain in the Valladolid records, and the Villalpando there is between that Leon (Zaragoza?) and Valladolid. There is also a Villa de Pando in Uruguay near Leon de Canelones.
Oh, by the way, thank you a million times for extracting those IMs from Aguascalientes. I found many of my husband's ancestors there. I can't read the images due to my eyesight and unfamiliarity with that script and language and abbreviations.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:15:53 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomas Villalpando
>
> Emily
>
> Do you have information on Tomas Villalpando who married (1) Maria de Vargas (m 1677), and later (2) Maria de Jaen (or de Sotelo) (m 1690), in Aguascalientes? There are several children by the first wife, and numerous others by the second. Apparently he is from Leon, Guanajuato.
>
> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA
Emily
Thank you very much for the reply. I haven't had a chance to look at the early Leon, GTO records yet, but I plan to do so.
By the way, I'm working on the next installment of Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations. My goal is to get to the 1740s (I'm in the mid 1720s at the moment) when the marriage records are consistently more complete and provide the names of the parents of the couple being married. When done, I'll post these with the others.
I've gotten side tracked on another problem: the Lara family of San Francisco del Rincon, GTO.
george Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
I have a translation of a marriage document that was done in 1694 that the name of the Villa was not totally legible...it says Juan de Villa el pando native of La Villa de Con(il?). I have cousins that our great great grandfathers were brothers that have reserched for many years also and most reserchers have interpreted this as La Villa de Leon...I am new on here so have not yet posted my ged.
Yes that tree on family search is my line...I can upload the actual marriage document so you can take a look but is hard to read.
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Yes we have several people here in this group who are good at reading documents from the 17th century. I would like to see it too.
Emilie
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:06:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] More on Jerez -
>
> I have a translation of a marriage document that was done in 1694 that the name of the Villa was not totally legible...it says Juan de Villa el pando native of La Villa de Con(il?). I have cousins that our great great grandfathers were brothers that have reserched for many years also and most reserchers have interpreted this as La Villa de Leon...I am new on here so have not yet posted my ged.
>
> Yes that tree on family search is my line...I can upload the actual marriage document so you can take a look but is hard to read.
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
Please email a copy of the marriage, all this Villalpando talk is interesting me.
Daniel Méndez Camino
mendezdelcamino@live.com
Where do I go on the site to upload it?
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Daniel...here is the link to the Ambrosio marrige document he is the son of Juan, not sure if i can post links.
http://hdzvialpando.tribalpages.com/tpphotos/fullphotos/hdzvialpando_40…
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Amalia, Emile, George et al.
The document reads
The margin reads “Nuevo México. . .1718”
“ Ambrocio de Villalpando vesino originario de la villa de Santa Fe
yjo lexítimo de Juan de Villalpando originario de la villa de Géres, lla
difunto y de Ana María Truxillo vesina de dha villa de Santa Fe. . .contraer matrimonio según orden de Nstra. Sta. Madre Yglesia con María Romero vesina de la villa de Santa Fe yja lexítima de Juan Romero lla difunto y de Pascuala Básques vesinos de dha
villa. . .
Based on all my years of research, I like many others; doubt this “Villa de Géres” was Xérez de la Frontera. I have seen so many records and every time it mentions Xérez, Spain is always named Xéres de la Frontera and usually makes a mention of Reynos de Castilla. In reality I believe Juan de Villalpando was from Villa de Xérez in Zacatecas like so many New Mexican families can trace their origins to northern Mexico. There seems to be a problem with researchers jumping into conclusions; such as listing the Villalpando from Xérez, Cádiz, Spain.
I am no expert in New Mexican genealogy, but have touched basis and some research. My step-grandmother is from Albuquerque and descends from all the common families: Martín Serrano, Vaca, Romero, Roybal, Vásquez de Lara, Padilla, Montes y Vigil, Lucero de Godoy, and the Marqueses of Villalmayor. Through her direct paternal line she is Durán y Chávez. Nonetheless, it does interest me because many families have ties to Nueva Galicia and northern Mexico.
You can actually purchase the Spanish Archives of New Mexico in a two volume set for around $90 at most. I believe it’s worthy to stand in any investigator’s library.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Thank you george...I have the 2 volume set on that i downloaded it free from the Arichives. com website. I have another document that is a interpretation from the Diligencias matrimonias of Fray Angelico Chavez. Thats where i got the Villa de Con(il?) from, I got the original document that he interpreted it from the Archives at Santa Fe, however the testimony of the bride and groom are missing. I have a woman at the Archdioces of Santa Fe looking for a complete copy for me.
Thats awesome how you could makes sense of what was written in the margin..thank you so much, I can continue my research in Zacatecas...Oh and all the familys mentiond in your post I am also related to...so i wonder where ours ties together.
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Amalia,
You actually downloaded all the images from the two volumes in the Spanish Archives in Santa Fe?
Or is it a transcription of the records there? Can you give me the link?
Also, in the meantime, can you send the incomplete copy of the original record where it says that Juan Villalpando was from "Villa de Leon" to a file in Nuestros Ranchos? Or if you have the .jpg file in your computer, can you send it to me, George and Daniel? It was Daniel that translated the Ambrosio document for us.
You can't send attachments to NR, only links, or you can upload a file to Nuestros Ranchos.
I have Fray Angelico's book "Origins of New Mexico Families", and the transcription for the marriage of Juan de Villa El Pando in there says simply that he was from "La Villa de Leon", not from any Villa de Conil or whatever. I do see though that he gives Juan's wife's name as Ana Maria Romero, when the marriage of his son Ambrosio gives his wife's name as Ana Maria Trujillo. I kept wondering why the family trees say his wife was a Romero. Now I know where they got that. I wish I could see Juan's marriage document from 1694, that Fray Angelico quoted as his source.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:49:04 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] George
>
> Thank you george...I have the 2 volume set on that i downloaded it free from the Arichives. com website. I have another document that is a interpretation from the Diligencias matrimonias of Fray Angelico Chavez. Thats where i got the Villa de Con(il?) from, I got the original document that he interpreted it from the Archives at Santa Fe, however the testimony of the bride and groom are missing. I have a woman at the Archdioces of Santa Fe looking for a complete copy for me.
> Thats awesome how you could makes sense of what was written in the margin..thank you so much, I can continue my research in Zacatecas...
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
I believe the links are
http://www.archive.org/details/spanisharchiveso01twituoft
http://www.archive.org/details/spanisharchiveso02twituoft
You can download both books as pdf files, as well as other formats.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
In the origins he refrences the Diligencias Matrimonias...thats what I uploaded also that says Villa de Con(il?) so i dont know where he got Leon. Yes that is the link to the pdf books, I got so many free refrences there including entire rolls of Census for the United State all in PDF form. Love that site!!!
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Amalia,
Yes, I know that Fray Angelico referenced the DM for the Villapando in his book (he quoted his sources as footnotes). He read the entry as "Villa de Leon" as he stated in his ONMF book. Someone else who did a transcription for the PDF files read the entry as Villa de Con (il?). I said in another post that I thought it read Villa de Leon (not Con) and the "il?" is an abbreviation for iho legitimo, since the names of his parents appear immediately after.
I was hoping that either George or Daniel would verify what I think it really says. You said you were waitng for the complete copy of the DM or Marriage, so you don't have even the part that says "Villa de Leon" that someone thinks says "Villa de Con (il?)"?
The two links you sent before were both for Ambrosio; I didn't see the image for Juan Villalpando that supposedly says "Villa de Con (il?)".
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:11:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ONMF..
>
> In the origins he refrences the Diligencias Matrimonias...thats what I uploaded also that says Villa de Con(il?) so i dont know where he got Leon. Yes that is the link to the pdf books, I got so many free refrences there including entire rolls of Census for the United State all in PDF form. Love that site!!!
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
Im still waiting for the first page of Juan's marriage from the Arch of Santa Fe. The link posted in a whole seperate post. It has the typed version of the dilligencias.
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Thank you for the kind words; however, I think they go to Daniel!!
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
It is an honor being able to help others in this quest, I am glad I can be of some help. Genealogy has
not only become a hobby on the side, but has become a passion.
Thank you george for the links for the Spanish Archives of New Mexico, I will ensure a great
spot in my family's archives.
Daniel Méndez Camino
I too have Villalpando on my mother's side. I'm still not sure where they came from but they appear
in Sierra de Pinos in 1751 where they baptize a daughter. They are linked to Matehuala, SLP and
Guadalajara, Jal. Very probably they were merchants/commercialist.
My 6th great grandfather Capt. Joseph Victor de Camino y Trasgallo married Josefa Gertrudis
Fernandez de Villalpando, she was baptized in San Matias, Sierra de Pinos, Zac on 16 Jan 1762
and married in the same place 30 Nov 1783. She was daughter of Joseph Nolasco Fernandez de
Villalpando, (I suspect he was a merchant and a peninsular) and Maria Manuela Mendez-Hidalgo
who appears to be linked to Santa Maria del Rio, SLP.
Josefa's brother Joseph Maria Fernandez de Villalpando worked closely with Francisco de Fagoaga,
I marques del Apartado in Mexico City and Puebla.
All this Villalpando talk recently has sparked my interest in following this line that I know so little about.
any help is appreciated.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Hello
I have found a marriage dispensation from 1796 for
Jose Raphael Romo,Puesto de Sausillo, age 27,son of Antonio Romo and Mariana de Alba:
Thanks to both of you for the tips!
For the marriage of Joseph Raphael Romo to Maria Olaya Gutierrez, both spanish, in Encarnacion de Diaz on 27 april 1796, here is the link to the image, should anyone else be interested:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58623-19?cc=1874591&wc…
I am not much wiser, except for two things:
1. no mention of a previous marriage to Ma Casilda Rafaela Aguilar Chaves
2. no don/dona titles (the Raphael Romo who moved to Coahuila was referred to as Don, as were his descendents)among the parents or padrinos.
Incidentally, I came across another Raphael Romo, spanish, same place, same time,(BUT son of Joseph Romo and Luisa de Medina) who married (10 Aug 1796)a woman named Maria de los Dolores Gonzales, spanish (hija natural of Maria Antonia Gonzales). Again, no mention of a previous marriage and no titles - see link below:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58626-58?cc=1874591&wc…
The Manuel Romo whose parents I am searching for, married in Nadadores in 1816, so I think that he was born not after 1798. I think it unlikely that either Raphael Romos above could have married in '96, been widowed, and remarried and had a child by 1798. So I think I can rule them out, also the issue of the Raphael m. to Olaya was Silvestre or Prudencio I can put on the back burner - I don't think now that I link up the either of them.
So I guess I better look at la Chona!
Regards,
Denise
Hi Armando
My next question would have been, where the heck is La Chona, but you have already answered that in a previous post!I have copied it below for anyone else who might be wondering...
Thanks again for taking the time to help with my questions.
Regards
Denise
______________________________________________
The Romo's of
Submitted by Armando on Fri, 2010-04-23 10:30.
Hello Paul,
I imagine, and in no way certain, that it went like this - La Encarnación
became La Encarnachon which became La Chona. Just like Jesus became Chus or
Chuy and Luisa became Licha and so on.
Armando
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Paul J Gomez wrote:
> Armando,
>
> My maternal grandparents were born in Encarnacion de Diaz. What is the
> origination of the nickname "La Chona"?
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> fandemma@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:56 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Romo's of
>
> Hello Alexis,
>
> I couldn't tell if this was evident to you. La Chona is the nickname for
> Encarnación de Díaz.
>
> Armando
Hello Denise,
Joseph Rafael Romo and María Olaya Gutierrez wed 27 Apr 1796 in Encarnación
de Díaz, Jalisco. They were not from Rincón de Romos. Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZJN-5QV
They also baptized several children en Encarnación de Díaz.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
Hello Bill,
Joseph Rafael Romo Alba was baptized in Aguascalientes which is why she was
going to look in that area. She is trying to find out which one of the
following two is the one that married María Olaya Gutierrez and also which
one is her ancestor.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBQ8-FBN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK
Would you happen to have copies of these baptisms? They are not found
online as far as I can tell. They were grandchildren of my ancestors Miguel
Romo de Vivar and Ana Macías Valadez.
The furthest ancestor that Denise can find was mentioned as being from
Aguascalientes even though there is a possibility he was actually from La
Chona.
Saludos,
Armando
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Hello Denise,
>
> Joseph Rafael Romo and María Olaya Gutierrez wed 27 Apr 1796 in
> Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco. They were not from Rincón de Romos. Here is
> the link:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JZJN-5QV
>
> They also baptized several children en Encarnación de Díaz.
>
> Saludos,
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
Armando and Denise,
The following are the links for the baptisms of 1) Joseph Rafael Prudencio
Romo and 2) Joseph Rafael Silvestre Romo:
1)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68534-72?cc=1410092&…
2)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68606-73?cc=1410092&…
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
Does anyone have information on Rancho Mesillas, Tepezala Aguascalientes?
My great grandfather supposedly owned that ranch. It was where my Mother
was born. Thanks!
Yes, I have also come across this situation. My g-g-g-grandmother was born
in Pinos, Zacatecas. Her surname was Felipa Hernandez.
Hello,
I need help if I am looking for a baptism record from 1872 in San cristobal on Family Search which town in Jalisco would I start?
They have:
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
San Cristobal de la Barranca in in jalisco state near Zapopan, Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas, Mezquital del Oro etc.
You can search directly in church records or civil records.
Hola Juan Francisco:
Te comento que acaban de subir records de la Estanzuela (Garcia de la Cadena) Zacatecas ,encontre varios records de mis ancestros y tambien he visto varios de los tuyos,(Sanchez)
en el Rancho la Tetilla,tambien vi en el Mezquital del Oro,deverias darle una mirada,Saludos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:08:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Cristobal de la Barranca
>
> Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
>
> San Cristobal de la Barranca in in jalisco state near Zapopan, Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas, Mezquital del Oro etc.
>
> You can search directly in church records or civil records.
I have come across an interesting situation with one branch of my family the baptism record and marriage record show my 2nd great grandmother as Maria Matilde Medel (born 1833 in San Miguel el Alto, J
rmcneal,
I have a similar situation with my Paternal Grandmother's line. Her last name is "Ceja" from Las Zarquillas, Villamar, Michoacan. Rumors/family stories say her family's orignal last name was "Zamora" and that they changed it to "Ceja" during La Cristeada war or Mexican revolution because they were being persecuted by the goverment, but I have discovered that they (my ancestors) have been alternating Ceja & Zamora for some generations before the Mexican revolution. Some of my ancestors were baptized "Ceja" and marry as "Zamora" and vice-versa. I've found many documents altenating these 2 last names during the 1800's. I honestly have no idea why they did it, hope to one day find out.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Hola Roberto,
I am just going to get started on the Ceja name. One of my aunts Teresa
Mendoza married Alfredo Ceja in Guadalajara where they presently reside.
His father was Roman Ceja Godinez married to Soledad Diaz. This is just
the beginning I have for this family.
-Esther Jordan Lopez
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:12 AM, wrote:
> rmcneal,
>
> I have a similar situation with my Paternal Grandamother's line. Her last
> name is "Ceja" from Las Zarquillas, Villamar, Michoacan. Rumors/family
> stories say her family's orignal last name was "Zamora" and that they
> changed it to "Ceja" during La Cristeada war or Mexican revolution because
> they were being persecuted by the goverment, but I have discovered that
> they (my ancestors) have been alternating Ceja & Zamora for some
> generations before the Mexican revolution. Some of my ancestors were
> baptized "Ceja" and marry as "Zamora" and vice-versa. I've found many
> documents altenating these 2 last names during the 1800's. I honestly have
> no idea why they did it, hope to one day find out.
>
> Saludos,
> Roberto Hdez
Hi Esther,
I have not placed all the pieces together on my "Ceja" line, becuase I have been busy/focused on my direct paternal line, the Hernandez from Ayo el chico & La Barca, Jalisco. But I can almost "bet" that your research on the "Ceja" line, will take you to the Villamar, Jiquilpan, Guaracha, Zamora & Sahuayo Michoacan Archives. I'm not sure if that's where early Ceja families first establised, but there sure is a lot of "Cejas" in that region of Michoacan (Region Cienega/Near Chapala lake). Hope we can make some connections, though I don't have much info on this line yet.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
My wifes family also interchanged de la Santa Cruz and lomelin. I found out that it was because an ancestor was born out of wedlock so he used his mothers surname de la Santa Cruz but her grandchildren used both surnames and the siblings branches off with some family members choosing one or the other surname. These lomelin and Santa cruz were from Sam Juan de Los Lagos and Sam Miguel el alto Jalisco
Rick A Ricci
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 16, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Esther Jordan wrote:
> ROHernandez@safrdig.com> wrote:
Rmcneal,
Yes - I have come across situations like this and it can be very
frustrating. The further back you go the more variations you will find with
surnames. It is not uncommon for siblings to use different surnames,
sometimes it is simple like using the mother's surname instead of the
fathers, but other times they use the name of a grandparent so it looks like
the name came out of nowhere.
-Angelina-
Hello All,
Hello: please tell me where you found the passport photos link on family search. I have found good information from freedom on information act request to US Citizenshlip and Immigration services some papers included passport pictures and in their own words some of my ancestors history (those of recent years and those who migrated to the US). I also came across a Who's Who in Mexico book at the University of Texas at Austin with a quick reference to one of my ancestors who was a doctor. Hope this helps. Anita
> From: ochoafam4@rocketmail.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Images, periodicals, etc
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, July 12, 2012, 2:15 PM
> Hello All,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a particular database,
> resource, etc to find pictures or images. To match the name
> with a face of some kind? Does anyone know if a fruitful
> online resource for finding pictures or images for these
> ancestors? I have found many passport photos through the
> family search weblinks, but I am looking for a significant
> online newspaper archive. Somewhere I might place the names
> of ancestors with their image, work history, or other story.
> It seems that some of my line goes back many, many
> generations in Guadalajara, Encarnacion de Diaz and the
> surrounding towns so this area is of special interest to me.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Monica Ochoa (MAZO)
>
> Saludos,
>
> Queria preguntar si hay una base de datos, recursos, etc
> para encontrar fotos o imágenes. Para coincidir el nombre
> con una cara de algún tipo? ¿Alguien sabe si un recurso
> establesido en línea para encontrar fotos o imágenes de
> esos antepasados? He encontrado muchas fotos de
> pasaporte a través de los enlaces web Family Search, pero
> estoy buscando un archivo en línea significante. En algún
> lugar puede ser que coloque los nombres de los antepasados
> con su imagen, historia laboral, o de otra historia.
> Parece que mucho de mi línea se encuentra por generaciones
> en Guadalajara, Encarnación de Díaz y de los pueblos de
> los alrededores por lo que esta zona es de especial interés
> para mí.
>
> Gracias,
> Mónica Ochoa (Mazo)
Hello Anita,
From the Search Results page in the Family Search database you can select the drop down menu by clicking the little triangular icon to the right of the persons name, this will reveal more info i.e. DOB, arrival date, port, and other details, on that list it will say "record has photo" followed by yes or no. If there is a photo all you have to do is click on the name of the person and there is usually a link on the following page where you can download the record with photo (though you may have to sign in/create account etc). However if the image is not available the page will give you more details, film # etc. to facilitate an independent search and browse through of images and then all you have to do is find the records and go page by page to search for you relevant document/pictures.
Hope that helps!
MAZO
Hola todos--
Me gustaría recordarles que el esfuerzo no es solo mio, sino también de varios voluntarios que han ofrecido su tiempo para el beneficio de todos nosotros.
ME ENCANTARIA PARTICIPAR, COMO NOS PODEMOS CONTACTAR ? MI NOMBRE ES ROCIO I PADILLA.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: guadalajaradispensas@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:09:16 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Proyecto de GuadalajaraDispensas.com Project
>
> Hola todos--
> Me gustaría recordarles que el esfuerzo no es solo mio, sino también de varios voluntarios que han ofrecido su tiempo para el beneficio de todos nosotros.
>
> Si hay otros aquí que puedan contribuir--favor de ponerse en contacto conmigo.
>
>
> Saludos,
> -Claudia
>
>
My family is from the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico region. There are several old Haciendas in our area.
There is an entry in the GEDCOM database for Marcelo Gandara, b: abt 1790.
He is my 4th Great Grandfather. However I find his entry is incomplete and somewhat incorrect.
Rita Juliana de Leon is my 1st cousin (6x removed)and she's a direct descendant of Manuel de Leon and Josepha de Escobedo, my 6th and 7th GGPs. My e-mail is josecarlos1944@hotmail.com if you want to compare notes with me.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Juan de Dios Alvarez es hijo de Juan Antonio Alvarez y Rita Serrano y Rafaela Campos de Antonio Campos y Maria Francisca Castañeda segun el acta de matrimonio del 15 mayo 1793
Gracias por esta informacion. Creo que somos familiares.
From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarez Campos
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:02:29 -0600
Juan Antonio Alvares
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
spouse:
Prudencia Rita Serrano
marriage:
21 May 1759 — Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
groom's name:
Juan Antonio Alvares
bride's name:
Prudencia Rita Serrano
marriage date:
21 May 1759
marriage place:
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60714-1
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443969
Juan Antonio Alvares Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
spouse:
Prudencia Rita Serrano
marriage:
21 May 1759 — Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
groom's name:
Juan Antonio Alvares
bride's name:
Prudencia Rita Serrano
marriage date:
21 May 1759
marriage place:
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60714-1
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443969Prudencia Rita Serrano Miramontes 23 apr 1741 Tlaltenango se Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, hija de Bicente Serrano y de Josefa de Miramontes batch C600895 film 443803
Vicente y Josefa se casan el 15 junio 1740 en tlaltenango él hijo de Bartholomé Serrano y Margarita Bonifacia y Josefa Miramontes hija de antonio Miramontes y de Maria Teresa Muñoz
Juan de Dios Alvarez se bautiza el 14 mar 1763 C600897 film 443805
spouse:
Prudencia Rita Serrano
marriage:
21 May 1759 — Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
entonces queda como sigue:
Ana Francisca Campos esposa de Jose Maria Alvarez hija de Francisco Campos y Ana Cornejo, Ana Coenejo hija de Rafael Cornejo y de Mathiana Servantes Carlos ( bautizaron una hija en colotlan jalisco)
Jose Maria Alvarez hijo de Juan de Dios Alvarez y de Rafaela Campos, Juan de dios Hijo de Juan Antonio Alvarez y de Prudenciana Rita Serrano, Rita Serrano hija de Vicente Serrano y de Josefa Miramontes, Vicente hijo de Bartholome Cerrano y de Margarita Bonifacia
Josefa de Miramontes ( cr.13 apr 1717) hija de Antonio Miramontes y de Teresa Muñoz
y Rafaela campos esposa de Juan de Dios hija de Antonio Campos y de Francisca Castañeda tengo un par de imagenes de los archivos pero no suben los adjuntos a nuestros ranchos.. Lety R
Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
Debra, I've gone through the 1904 and 1905 marriages in Jerez and can't find Jesus Perez and Refugio Rodriguez.. are you sure they married in Jerez, Zac?
Linda in B.C.
________________________________
From: "thyme2be@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Intro- Perez/Rodriguez Family from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas
Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
I am not sure how to begin and keep everything as organized as possible for my own peace of mind. I have spent a couple of days at the local lds center attempting to decipher the records. Any tips that you might share will be appreciated.
(I will post another intro with family from Aguascalientes)
Debra Perez
Jesus Perez abt. 1883 married around 1905-1905 Refugia Rodriguez abt. 1882
Jerez Zacatecas
Children:
Luis Perez abt.1905
Pillar Perez abt.1906
Jesus Perez abt. 1907
Jose Rodriguez Perez abt.1911
Antonia Perez abt. 1918 United States
Debra, I'm going through the 1905 marriage dispensations, if I find anything on Jesus Perez and Refugia Rodriguez I will let you know. I don't have anything on them in my files.... yet..
Linda in B.C.
________________________________
From: "thyme2be@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Intro- Perez/Rodriguez Family from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas
Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
I am not sure how to begin and keep everything as organized as possible for my own peace of mind. I have spent a couple of days at the local lds center attempting to decipher the records. Any tips that you might share will be appreciated.
(I will post another intro with family from Aguascalientes)
Debra Perez
Jesus Perez abt. 1883 married around 1905-1905 Refugia Rodriguez abt. 1882
Jerez Zacatecas
Children:
Luis Perez abt.1905
Pillar Perez abt.1906
Jesus Perez abt. 1907
Jose Rodriguez Perez abt.1911
Antonia Perez abt. 1918 United States
Thank you...This side of my family has less information to go on...
Debra Perez T
Thank you Linda,
I will start my search in another area, book by book. I appreciate your assistance.
We thought that this side of the family would be easier.
In gratitude,
Debra Perez
Hey everyone,
I should have mention Gregorio and his siblings were born in Ciudad Zacatecas. I have Gregorio bapt. May 1859 Sixto bapt. April 1861 and Pedro bapt. Feb 1863 all baptisms in Ciudad Zacatecas.
Linda Castanon-Long
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not Castanon
Hey everyone,
Just want to share a find. I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac. I came across a Tomas Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los Correas, which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents. On a hunch, I looked up the baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents. The priest made a mistake on the paternal last name! I feel like Sherlock Holmes. :-)
Still haven't found my great-grandmother Vita Castaneda Galvan, but I've found some of her brothers. Time for bed...
Laura Gonzalez
Linda,
Thanks, I've got all those people (baptisms), still looking for great grandmother, I'll prolly start looking at marriages as well.
Laura Gonzalez
good for you! I am Castanon and find Castaneda all the time.. here is one more record just in case you don't have it. This is as far back as I go on this line..
happy hunting and I do understand you feelings.
Linda Castanon-Long
baptism 31 May 1886 in Jerez, Zac
Gregorio born in el Tesorero 9 May 1886 8am
parents: Gregorio Castaneda and Ysabel Galvan
pat grn: Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segobia
mat grn: Toribio Galvan and Margarita Marquez
godparents: Hipolito Sosa and Ysidra Castaneda
source: 0439861 film
page 376 Family search online pilot program
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not Castanon
Hey everyone,
Just want to share a find. I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac. I came across a Tomas Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los Correas, which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents. On a hunch, I looked up the baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents. The priest made a mistake on the paternal last name! I feel like Sherlock Holmes. :-)
Still haven't found my great-grandmother Vita Castaneda Galvan, but I've found some of her brothers. Time for bed...
Laura Gonzalez
Congratulations! This success points out a very good rule of thumb. Either
the scribes, priest, and/or the people who are transcribing the records can
make mistakes. Always go to the source material to confirm.
Joseph
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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of mayangrl@sonic.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:14 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not
Castanon
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just want to share a find. I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac. I
came across a Tomas
> Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los
Correas,
> which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents. On a hunch, I
looked up the
> baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents.
The priest made a
> mistake on the paternal last name! I feel like Sherlock Holmes. :-)
>
> Still haven't found my great-grandmother Vita Castaneda Galvan, but I've
found some of
> her brothers. Time for bed...
>
> Laura Gonzalez
Joseph,
You're exactly right. I also found a relative who was listed as Antonio instead of Antonia, and was listed as a boy as well. Not all records show up at familysearch.org either; I went searching for my grandmother just based on birth place and date, and found her.
Laura Gonzalez
Erlinda,
I have run into this assertion quite often and it has never been true in my area (except a couple of times)for most people.
I have no idea why this vexing myth continues.
< I was al
I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really enjoy the music and the singing.
I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other parts of Mexico. (I did remember seeing a graveyard in Central Baja where all the names were German!)
Does anyone think that there could be a connection between the German music and Mariachi music? I hear the German music every year at Oktoberfest and it really reminds me of the Mariachi music, too. However, it doesn't have the emotion or heart that Mariachi music has in it!
Kathleen Hargrove Gutierrez
Yes
German polkas do sound a lot like the mariachi sound. In the state of Sonora next to Baja, I see some French names, but I don't know when they emigrated to Mexico. Perhaps Germans settled near there too.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: kathy_gutierrez@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:20:55 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mariachi Music Origins
>
> I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really enjoy the music and the singing.
>
> I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other parts of Mexico. (I did remember seeing a graveyard in Central Baja where all the names were German!)
>
> Does anyone think that there could be a connection between the German music and Mariachi music? I hear the German music every year at Oktoberfest and it really reminds me of the Mariachi music, too. However, it doesn't have the emotion or heart that Mariachi music has in it!
>
> Kathleen Hargrove Gutierrez
You are confusing Mariachi music and Norteño music. Mariachi music is
identified as being from Jalisco. There is no evidence that Mariachi was
influenced by Germans. Norteño music is just that, northern, and doesn't
have a place in a discussion of the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes.
Armando
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, wrote:
> I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it
> to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas
> with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As
> I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really
> enjoy the music and the singing.
>
> I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah
> Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible
> because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other
> parts of Mexico. (I did remember seeing a graveyard in Central Baja where
> all the names were German!)
>
> Does anyone think that there could be a connection between the German
> music and Mariachi music? I hear the German music every year at Oktoberfest
> and it really reminds me of the Mariachi music, too. However, it doesn't
> have the emotion or heart that Mariachi music has in it!
>
> Kathleen Hargrove Gutierrez
Armando,
you're correct to note the differences in music between polka-influenced Norteño (i.e., northern) music and mariachi. However, polka did influence the music of Zacatecas in the form of the "Tamborazo" genre. If you want to hear an example of this, check out a few songs from my uncle Victor Gonzalez ("El Tigre de Zacatecas") on YouTube:
1. Tus Vacasiones : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2toS9CzPHg&feature=context-chv
and
2. La Del Morral : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvUcv_muYc&feature=plcp
The Tamporazo is derived from Banda from Sinaloa, probably popularized during the revolution. Polish immigrants introduced the polka in Sinaloa and the Banda style was probably spread during the revolution in the early 20th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Mexico#Banda
Arturo
Jose Antonio Michel
I read your posting about the myth of French blood in Jalisco. With a last name like "Michel" my father always said we descended from a French soldier who stayed in Jalisco after the Franco intervention. He knew several different versions from other Jalisiences about how their descendants spread along the Ameca or Armeria river valley all the way to Colima. I think he honestly believed it. When I started doing genealogy research in 1990, within a short time I found the Michel surname present in Jalisco as early as the mid 1500's. I think my dad was disapointed when I proved his theory or story wrong. Later I showed my father that our first ancestor in Mexico was Juan Michel Ordonez(AKA El Portugues) son of the Spanish knight Diego de San Martin who arrived with Hernan Cortez. I explained how the authors Antonio Tello(Cronica Miscelanea de Santa Provincia de Xalisco), Matias de la Mota Padilla(Historia del Reino de la Nueva Galicia), and Jose Lopez Portillo y Weber(La conquista , y la Rebellion de la Nueva Galicia) all chronicle the life and feats of Juan Michel Ordonez among other conquistadors. I truthfully believe my father likes this true and documented version better than his old story. Ive researched the Pares website but Ive yet to locate the origin of my Michel surname.
Greetings to all: In reviewing my records of ancestors from Zacatecas, Zac I have the following questions and am hoping someone can help me follow thru with these leads:
Hello Everyone, I've been doing my research on my grandfather's Valdez, (Valdes) line. He was born in La Estancia, Tepetongo, but his line comes from Jerez (Los Cuervos).
can you share names or dates.. I also do research in Jerez but many families are from Tepetongo or go back an forth from Jerez to Tepetongo.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.
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From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas Church Rechords
Hello Everyone, I've been doing my research on my grandfather's Valdez, (Valdes) line. He was born in La Estancia, Tepetongo, but his line comes from Jerez (Los Cuervos). I've been able to go back to my 4X gr grandfather and there the records have a very large gap. From 1835 to beyond 1849 no records exist on Family Search. I was wondering if anyone has been successful finding records for this period. Perhaps I've missed something.
Thanks for any help anyone can give. It's particularly frustrating, because I think I know who my 5X gr grandfather is but need some records to confirm.
Gracias!
Hello Linda,
I am primarily in the early to mid 1800's right now. I have some late 1700's also. As I stated my maternal grandfather was a Valdes/Berumen. But they primarily married, de la Torre's, Carlos, and Gonzales. If I can help you with any of these names, please let me know.
Thanks,
Barbara
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Check this web pages
http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja mas Completa)
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
I am currently in Zac, Zac, it's an amazingly beautiful city. My cousin's son is graduating tomorrow from Universidad Autonima de Zacatcas. Since he's lived here for 4 years, he knows all the ins and outs and all the best eateries. I've taken lots of pictures and will find a way to share them.
Alicia
________________________________
From: "juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valdez in Jerez
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Check this web pages
http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja mas Completa)
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
Hey everybody,
Kathleen Gutierrez
I think I saw the groom's parents as Joaquin Gonzalez (difunto - dead) and Luila Laozonda de Harnar(?)
The bride's parents appear to be Juan Manuel de Exqueda (difunto) and Maria Antonia Antonia Sanchez Fuerontes (?).
I hope this helps a little. The spellings might be a little off, but that is what I thought I read.
Kathy Hargrove Gutierrez
Luisa Lugarda de LLamas
Jose Gonzalez
Miguel Perez
Hilario Ramos
saludos:
Luis Valdes
I have hit a wall, looking for my Grandfather and his family.
Jose Rodriquez Perez 1911 from Zacatecas? was Aguascalientes within Zacatecas borders at that time?
Solicito la ayuda de los compañeros. Me he quedado atorado en la investigación de mis ancestros.
The basic Y-DNA 12 kit is on sale at FamilyTreeDNA.com for $59 until July 15.
HI,,,dumb question...i dont know much about my father,,,actually nothing,,,and apparently i descend from the guerrero family not so much the esquivel...anyhow,,the question is..which dna test should i
Ancestry is offering a $99.00 DNA test. Does any one have any thoughts on their new test?
Ancestry purchased a company called Genetree that did testing through
Sorensen labs. Familytreedna has the largest database and has more members
and more projects. It is the best place to get tested at the moment. FTDNA
has a special from now through July 15th.
http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/07/ftdnas-sizzling-summer-sa…
Armando
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM, wrote:
> Ancestry is offering a $99.00 DNA test. Does any one have any thoughts on
> their new test?
I have used familytreedna for my Father and a maternal uncle.
Father: ydna Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223 and mtdna Halogroup A, waiting on results from snp test.
Uncle: ydna Halogroup: R1b1a2 R-M269
Familytreedna included all DNA markings/codes, halogroups, certificate, ancestral maps, and allows you to add additional tests, and makes it easy to join groups that your DNA applies to.
Ancestry.com had a promotion when they were going to launch DNA testing for current subscribers to test for $9.99 for a limited amount of participants so I had my son due this test. I was disappointed, even if I am very limited on my knowledge of DNA, they do not provide DNA markings/codes, halogroups, certificate only a pie chart & map and possible relations that subscribe to Ancestry.com only, I would recommend familytreedna. My son is now testing with familytreedna. Hope this helps.
Will you be doing a Deep Clade on your uncle for Haplogroup R1b1a2 R-M269?
He will probably be able to be placed farther down in the R1b tree. You can
see what it looks like here
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades
Saludos,
Armando
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:06 AM, wrote:
> I have used familytreedna for my Father and a maternal uncle.
> Father: ydna Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223 and mtdna Halogroup A, waiting on
> results from snp test. Uncle: ydna Halogroup: R1b1a2 R-M269
> Familytreedna included all DNA markings/codes, halogroups, certificate,
> ancestral maps, and allows you to add additional tests, and makes it easy
> to join groups that your DNA applies to.
> Ancestry.com had a promotion when they were going to launch DNA testing
> for current subscribers to test for $9.99 for a limited amount of
> participants so I had my son due this test. I was disappointed, even if I
> am very limited on my knowledge of DNA, they do not provide DNA
> markings/codes, halogroups, certificate only a pie chart & map and possible
> relations that subscribe to Ancestry.com only, I would recommend
> familytreedna. My son is now testing with familytreedna. Hope this helps.
Me gustaria recibir los comentarios de los miembros de nuestros ranchos a
esta direccion de correo , se puede?
Haciendas y Ranchos de Santa Anita 1767 – 1794