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Mazo, I'm assuming you are looking at the records found here:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…

It doesn't help much to search by name if you're not using the index. Click on the county you want and scroll to the end of the list. Find the index for the year you want. Find the month and year of death, locate the name, and note the number assigned to the name. That is the number on the death certificate.

Death certificates are in order by year and certificate number.

Hope this helps

Raul Munoz

Hello Mazo

I don't know what records you are searching through but Ancestry will give you minimal information as far as name and date. In order to get an actual copy you have to contact the LA County Record Bureau directly or order it through Ancestry. LA does not make these records available to the public like Arizona and some states do for free. These records bring in revenue for the County. In order to send for the copy you do need the name and date of death. There is a fee but its not much if you contact the records bureau directly.

Hope this helps,
Barbara

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On Oct 13, 2012, at 2:20 PM, ochoafam4@rocketmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I was looking for a bit of direction. In search of more family details I am looking through Los Angeles death records. My great grandmother (born in Mexico died in Los Angeles ca) but cannot seem to locate her death record. I found the date but am looking for the image...however it seems the filed date, date of death, and record dates all differ. Does anyone know whether I should be looking by date of death?? last name?? filed date? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED, THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
> Mazo

I found no images of the actual death record in California.. you can order one or go to the records hall to view an original. They do charge for a copy of  notarized record.
Linda in B.C.

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Hello All,

I was looking for a bit of direction. In search of more family details I am looking through Los Angeles death records. My great grandmother (born in Mexico died in Los Angeles ca) but cannot seem to locate her death record. I found the date but am looking for the image...however it seems the filed date, date of death, and record dates all differ. Does anyone know whether I should be looking by date of death?? last name?? filed date? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED, THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Mazo

Hello Ed,

I also love this site and it has been very helpful for me in my family search. I have also met a cousin on my father's side who I still keep in contact with through this site.

So you will never know what you will learn!

Happy searching!

Kristine

Hi Ed-- welcome to the group!

I don't have any connections to you, but I know that this group is very helpful. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge here.

Rosalinda

Welcome to the group!

I wish I could help you, but I'm searching a different area of Jalisco; however, someone else may have some good suggestions as there are many in the group who are very knowledgeable.

Good luck!

Rosalinda

Hola Randy ,how are you ? Well I hope. Question how is Benjamin Harrison related through what line ?
Ronnie

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rmcneal103@msn.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:25:17 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The strange turns in family searches
>
> While researching my McNeal side of the family I discovered that both of my parents are distant cousins to Bejaman Harrison.
>
> On my mothers side (Reynoso Hurtado)through Inez Alfons De Ayala (1330-1395) and Don Diego De Toledo (1334 – 1418) and on my fathers side through Sir Walter Mountjoy Blount (1420-1474)and Ellen Byron (1416-1467)
>
> Then it dawned on me and I looked a little harder and indeed my parents are very distant cousins.

Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.

Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.

Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain. The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas. That is if you believe the old maps.

The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the very different cultures that make up Mexico.

After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food, drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company and the Mexican tourist industry.

yes, that did happen(throughout history men have been known to rape women, I'm not saying that all men are guilty of this, but rape has been in existence for at least a couple thousand years). for example, hernan cortez, during his lifetime, raped both la malinche and isabel de moctezuma.

however not all mestizos were products of rape. consensual sexual relationships(regardless if the couple was married or not) between Spaniards and the indigenous people did exist though. Usually these relationships were between a Spaniard man and an indigenous women, but the gender inverse did exist too.

here's the link to a marriage record between and indigenous man and a Spaniard woman I found

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-59521-50?cc=1874591&wc…

the mexicans look up to the aztecs because they were the most recent advanced pre-columbian civilization/empire in mexico. also not all mexicans look up to the aztecs. i personally don't care for them, but i had a teacher who was either 100% indigenous mexican or at least close to it(you can tell by looking at him), who hated the aztecs.

the irony is that before spain colonized Mexico, the aztecs were hated by the other tribes due to their cruelty.

My bad, I didn't read the next pages. Clemente de Acuna is an informant that stated that the groom and bride were actually related. I had to draw a little family tree to find the relationship between the two. The common ancestors were Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo.
First the groom: Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo had a daughter, whose name is unknown by the informant. This woman had a daugher named Maria Rosales, who married Jose Carlos de Godoi. They had a daughter, also named Maria Rosales, who married Martin de Arceo. This couple had a daughter, Clara de Arceo, who was the mother of the groom, Francisco Miguel Marquez.
Now the bride: Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo had another daughter named Clara Cid Caldera. She had a son named Nicolas Caldera, who married Leonor Rodarte. This couple had a son, Nicolas Cruz Caldera, who married Barbara Casilda, and they had a daugher, the bride, Anna de Santiago Caldera.

According to this chart, http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm
the pretensos were third cousins once removed. I hope that helps.

Saludos,

Steve in NC

I just read your document and it is about the matrimonial information of Franco. Migul. Marquez, an illegitimate child of Clara de Arzeo, and Anna de Santiago Caldera, daughter of Nicolas de la Cruz Caldera and Barbara Casilda de Vlloo. I read the previous pages, and it does mention that there is no blood relationship. On the information of the groom, however, it states an impedimento because he asked the mother of the bride for her hand, not the father. That could be the reason this dispensa made it to Guadalajara for further investigation.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Do you have his other surname by chance?

Hi Kristine--

Could you be more specific as to where he was located in the records you found?

Rosalinda

This might be a stab in the dark, needle in a haystack, but I saw a 1716 dispensa with Ponce (de Leon) and Lozano, and thought it might be worth taking a look at:

Names Geronimo Lazo Bravo y Rivera (36, Teul, HL de Geronimo Lazo & Magdalena, viudo de Teresa Ponce de Leon); Ana Flores de la Torre (23, Juchipila, viuda de Cristoval Lozano)
Date 30 Mar 1716
Place Teul & Juchipila & Atemanica (in Tequila)
Source Guadalajara Matrimonio 1716-8, Film 167985, Image 12
URL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-14557-72?cc=1874591&wc…
Witnesses Agustin Flores (40, Teul); Antonio Roman (70); Diego Rivera (57)
Tronco Shared Grandparent: A1. Parent of Juana Lopez, A2. Juana Lopez, A3. Cristoval Lozano m. Juana Lopez; B1. Bravo/Rivera?, B2. Geronimo Lazo Bravo m Teresa Ponce de Leon

Estoy interesada en saber donde busco datos antes del 1825 para Juchipila, Zacatecas.  Cual pueblo tendra los records?

I'm interested in knowing where to find information for Juchipila, Zacatecas before 1825.  What towns near it would have it?

Sandra,

I would try, Moyahua, Jalpa or Nochistlan, they are the 3 largest municipalities close to Juchipila. I know in my research for Nochistlan, I occasionally find records for Juchipila residents. Having said that, Jalpa is also short on records for those early years and Moyahua's records begin in 1815 but they are the nearest Municipalities to Juchipila.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

Hi Sandra,
I have found some records in Moyahua (but only from 1814 on) I just hope they did not get destroyed during the Revolution. If you look under Matrimonios de Moyahua 1814-1823 image 2/100 indicates that "it was; Libro primero en el curato de Santiago de Moyahua erigido en la division hecha del de Juchipila....." empezando Mayo de 1814 y hecha por Don Jose Feliciano de Sierra primer cura de ese partido. Guadalajara, Yahualica & Nochistlan are my next choices since they are fairly close to Juchipila.

Bertha Alicia Casanova

Hi Linda,

According to the link below..., as Rosalinda mentions, there's a Suchil in Durango, near Sombrerete, Zacatecas. I'm not sure if this is the one you're lookinf for, but here's the link anyways:

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/suchil/

Saludos,
Roberto Hdez

Hi Linda,

According to this site: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm , Valle de Suchil is a "Pueblo cabecera de municipalidad del partido de Nombre de Dios, Estado de Durango."

Rosalinda

Esteban,

I am not certain that what applies to Nueva Galicia would be the same as other kingdoms of New Spain. However, at least in Nuevo Leon, many of my ancestors were frequently listed as captains. However, from what I understand by reading several sources, is that such title corresponded to heads of a militia often associated to the protections of their lands, whether hacienda or econmienda, and not because they belong to a regiment of the crown. En other cases I've found individuals listed as soldier, lieutenant, and even General, but in all these cases in their marriage certificate, or burial a note regarding the association to a regiment or presidio is given. It is possible that another member of the gorup could provide us additional information in this regard.

No estoy seguro si lo misma situación aplica para Nueva Galicia lo que sucedía en otros Reinos de Nueva España. Al menos en Nuevo Leon muchos de mis ancestros aparecen frecuentemente listados con el grado de
'capitan'. Por lo que entiendo, en base a algunos documentos, es que dicho 'titulo' se les asignaba como jefes de una milicia asociada a la protección de sus tierras, ya fuese hacienda o encomienda, y no necesariamente por pertenecer a algún regimiento de la corona en particular. En otros casos, si he localizado antepasados y parientes con grados de soldado, teniente, subteniente o inclusive como Generales, pero en todos estos se indica en el acta de matrimonio of defunción que dicho individuo estaba ligado a un regimiento o presidio. Es posible que algún otro miembro del grupo nos pueda proporcionar información adicional al respecto.

Jaime Alvarado

Esteban,
No estoy seguro si lo misma situación aplica para Nueva Galicia lo que sucedía en otros Reinos de Nueva España. Al menos en Nuevo Leon muchos de mis ancestros aparecen frecuentemente listados con el grado de
'capitan'. Por lo que entiendo, en base a algunos documentos, es que dicho 'titulo' se les asignaba como jefes de una milicia asociada a la protección de sus tierras, ya fuese hacienda o encomienda, y no necesariamente por pertenecer a algún regimiento de la corona en particular. En otros casos, si he localizado antepasados y parientes con grados de soldado, teniente, subteniente o inclusive como Generales, pero en todos estos se indica en el acta de matrimonio of defunción que dicho individuo estaba ligado a un regimiento o presidio. Es posible que algún otro miembro del grupo nos pueda proporcionar información adicional al respecto.

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

Hello,
I'm very excited about becoming a member of the Nuestros Ranchos
group. I'm been doing research for about a year (whenever I have a free
second). Both my parents are from Atolinga, Zacatecas, so this is where I
started my search. According to my Family Tree Maker file, I now have 1,546
people and 16 generation on my family tree! Up to now, I have done most
of my research on familysearch.org and recently bought two of Arturo Ramos
Pinedo's books: Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango and La Familia Ramos
Gutierrez y su herencia jalisciense y zacatecana. I have found that we
have some ancestors in common, so it has been wonderful to read some of the
history and other information in these books.

*My paternal grandparent's surnames are:*
Castaneda
Carols de Godoy
Rendon
Castro

*My maternal grandparents surnames are:*
Serrano
Castaneda
Haro
Castaneda

*Other surnames in my family:*
Covarrubias
Gonzalez
Miramontes
Llamas
Sandoval
Perez Texada
Rodriguez

*Locations of my research so far*:
Atolinga, Zacatecas
Los Cerritos, Zacatecas
Cerrito Pelon, Zacatecas
El Durazno, Zacattecas
Laguna Grande, Zacatecas
Tepechitlan, Zacayecas
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Others in same area

Technology is not always my friend... Understanding how to upload,
download, covert files, etc... doesn't come easy to me, so please be
patient. I will hopefully get my files up on the site soon.

I'm looking forward to collaborating with all of you.

Alicia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AliciaCastaneda
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com

Hello,
My name is Pauline and I am new to this group. I am now an official "serious" researcher.
I am researching the names Alvarez, Diaz, Orozco, Marioner & Magallanes. The towns are Momax, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, La Playa, Tabasco-Zacatecas. I do not know the ranch but I do know that one existed in the 1870's location unknown and again in the 1930's in La Playa. I am particularly interested in my maternal grandfather's birth record and lineage as for some reason he was a very secretive man and would not discuss his heritage, birth place or family. My mother in her entire life only met one of his first cousin's (Maximo Diaz) and his cousin's father (his uncle) Erculano Diaz. My mother tells me (information from his 2nd wife) that his grandfather (Gregorio ?) came over as part of Carlota's army- when Maximillian was killed- he fled and went into hiding. Rumor has it that he stole several cantarros of money and lived his life in fear. This Gregorio died in Tabasco and only spoke French. My grandfather immigrated to the US in 1917 but frequently went back and forth
having lived in Mexico in the 1930's, 1940's (Zacatecas) and again from 1960-s through the mid 1970's (Chapala, Jal). He married my grandmother Elvira Lopez in Los Angeles in 1931, later divorcing her and marrying Opal Kinney in the late 1950's in Chihuahua. My grandfather also used several dates of birth in his border crossings.
I would appreciate any advice on where to begin and if any of the following people and dates ring a bell:
ALVAREZ FAMILY
Delfino Orozco Alvarez (My grandfather)
Born: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman 9/27 or 9/16 of 1910 0r 1906
Death: Los Angeles, CA 4/9/1990
Parents:
Mariana Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- Jul 3, Circa 1890
Death: Los Angeles- March 25, 1928
Marcus Alvarez (Orozco ?)- No information
Born: Tlaltenango- Circa 1880's-1890's
Maternal Grandparents:
Felicitas M. (Last name unknown)
Born: Zacatecas- Circa 1870's
Cirilo Alvarez
Born: Zacatecas-Circa 1870's
DIAZ FAMILY
Maximo Diaz Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- May 5, 1914
Death: Los Angeles, -1990'
Parents:
Erculano Diaz and Luisa Alvarez-Born: Circa 1890's
This is all I have-I appreciate any help. Should I send this in Spanish?
Thanks,
Pauline