Nuestros Ranchos Site

rghg1405 wrote:

>Hi,
>I am new to this forum. I am doing my husband's geneology. His descendants are from Aguascalientes, Mexico. I am new at this Family Geneology searching but I think I made some real strides last night. I went to Familysearch.org looking for my husband Hector's grandmother on his father's side. I noticed that Mexico was one of the choices for location so I gave it a try. Boy, I hit the jackpot. I found his father's birth info, grandparents, great grandparents, and I think even great,greats! Here is a summary of what I found:
>
>Martin Exparza Gamez 1923 to 1988
>born in San Jose De Guadalupe Jesus Maria Ags, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>Died in California
>
>Parents:
>Luis Esparza
>died 1970
>Married 1912 in Canada Honda, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Benita Gamez
>born 1891 died 1983
>Calvillito, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Parents of Benita:
>Anastasio Gamez
>1860 to 11926
>born Calvillito, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>Married 1912 in Canada Honda, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>
>Cresenciana Leos
>1865 to 1955
>born Calvillito, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>
>children:
>Vicente
>Timotea
>Agustin
>Alejo and some others whose records are not available
>
>Parents of Cresenciana:
>Melquiades Leos
>1839 in El Aguila, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Diega Lopez
>1843 birth
>Marriage El Senor Del Encino, El Aguila, Aguascalientes, El Aguila, Aguascalientes, Mexico 1865
>
>Parents of Anastasio:
>Julian Gamez
>Isidora Tirado
>born 1838 in Calvillito Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>I am very interested in more information on Luis Esparza's family tree.
>
You're going to have to find your local Family History center and order
some films. All those records you found should have had a film number
associated with them so that is where you will start. Even though you
found this information online you'll still need to verify it on the film
and give your references as to exactly where you found it. Once you look
at the marriage record you might find where your Luis was from so you
can look for records in that area.

go to www.familysearch.org and find you closest FHC with the best hours
for you to do research. Go there pay them a visit and order a couple of
films.

if you find the location of your Luis start calling the Esparza's in
that location to see if you find someone that remembers him.

joseph

ps: I've moved this thread to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list

Maria
So nice of you to contact me, thank you!! I feel a little left out because
so many in the group have family connections in one way or
another.................but I am determined my day will come!! I enjoy
seeing what everyone has to say and just wanted to share a little of me. No,
I do not live in Ca. I live in Tennessee. My mother who is Esteban's sister
also lives here so I don't think I will ever relocate, but I do wish I had
someone to 'work' with here in the south.I have found some history info but
I don't know alot about computers so I just have it on paper for now.
Thanks again,
Hope

Does anyone know the location of Chilarillo? -- presumably somewhere in
Aguascalientes circa 1835, mentioned in several Rincón/San José
christening records. I have not been able to find it on any of my maps
or in any of the lists of ranchos and haciendas that I know of.

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuart-ranchos@comcast.net

Susana:

The dates preclude you looking anywhere other than Jerez or Colotlan. The parishes in the other towns you mention were not yet set up in 1737. You may also want to look in Tlaltenango... I have been surprised at the number of families that would get married and baptise their children there from as far north as the Hacienda de Troje or Hacienda del Astillero.

here is a map that has Tenasco, Jalisco on it. Very close to the
epicenter of my Puentes and Diaz families in Ranchos de Animas:

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/images/goodcolotlanscano…

joseph

ps: Those record are probably in Colotlan for that time period. Later
they would have been in Santa Maria de Los Angeles.

Susana Leniski wrote:

>Hi;
>
>I hope somebody can help me with this. In one of my lines from Jerez-tepetongo (Salinas line). I have a document (Marriage 1737) that saids that the family was from TENASCO. I assumed that was in Jalisco. I found a dam with the name Tenaxco very close to colotlan-Sta Maria de los Angeles. But now there isn't a town with that name. Can anyone tell me if Tenasco was the old name for the region? Where should I look for the records? Maybe Colotlan?, Maybe Sta Maria de los Angeles? Has anyone seen the name tenasco (tenaxco)?
>
>Thank you
>
>susana leniski

Say a hundred kits to Aguascalientes, 500 to Mexico City, 35 to the Lopez family of Northern California...or for the entire Tigua Tribe...

They would provide enough for Nuestros Ranchos entire membership.

If this is something we think is worthwhile to pursue. I ordered their kit, but never returned it because it is an anonymous test as I understand it. Unless something has changed.

I would appreciate hearing input from others on this forum who have participated in the Sorenson Project.

It is free, simple and painless. They send you a test tube, and q tip to swab the inside of your cheek with. You mail it back to them.

Also, if anyone has participated in the National Geographic Genone Project.

I can see the broad outlines, and general benefits of the projects to society as a whole. To track population movements.

I don't know if their results are applicable in a personal, or specific sense.

http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx

---- Linda R Romero wrote:
> >
>
> This is an announcement of a new DNA genealogy study being done in
> Northern Mexico. I don't read or speak Spanish so I had Babelfish
> translate it for me. It may be of interest to researchers on this
> forum.
>
> Dear friends, The Genealogica Society of the North of Mexico this
> making the harvesting of DNA samples (saliva) without cost in Mexico.
> Single they can participate: - people of legal age - that they have
> but of 5 generations (Ascending) - That are not natural or adpotados
> children. If somebody this interested please to contact to me.
> Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia President the Genealogica Society of
> the North of Mexico Farm San Javier 109 Col. New Guadalupe Aurora,
> the New Leon 67190 Mexico samuelsanchez@genealogia.org.mx http://
> www.genealogia.org.mx tel: 01152-(81) 1492-6400 mobile: (81) 1276-7868
>
> Linda
>
> >
> > From: "Genealogia.or.mx"
> > Date: July 28, 2006 12:18:13 PM CDT
> > To: GEN-HISPANIC-L@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: estamos realizando recoleccion de ADN y Genealogia en Mexico
> >
> >
> > Queridos amigos,
> >
> > La Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico esta realizando la
> > recoleccion de muestras de ADN (saliva) sin costo en Mexico.
> >
> > Solo pueden participar:
> > - personas mayores de edad
> > - que tengan mas de 5 generaciones (Ascendente)
> > - Que no sean hijos naturales o adpotados.
> >
> > Si alguien esta interesado favor de contactarme.
> >
> > Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia
> > Presidente La Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico
> > Rancho San Javier 109
> > Col. Nueva Aurora
> > Guadalupe, Nuevo Leon
> > 67190 Mexico
> > samuelsanchez@genealogia.org.mx
> > http://www.genealogia.org.mx
> > tel: 01152-(81) 1492-6400
> > mobile: (81) 1276-7868
> >
> >
>

Esther:

You ask: What archive did you search? Was this through google?

Do you mean for the records? All pasajeros a Indias records are available online through Archivos Espanoles en Red. The link is in the links section.

As far as the map of where Arredondo and Ruesga are in Spain, I looked at Michellin Maps online:

http://www.viamichelin.com

You can choose Spain and then simply type Ruesga in the city name field.

Esther:

The easiest way to find a passenger is to simply put in their last name in one search field, add another search field and type in the word "PASAJERO". That will bring up both licensias and passenger lists that have that name. This was easy enough with a name as rare as ARREDONDO. Obviously once you get to more common surnames, you would get hundreds of hits so you have to narrow down more. You can then either add yet a third field and add the first name or instead of using just their last name, type their whole name in quotes, i.e. "Juan de Arredondo." This last method is problematic because the match has to be exact. If you leave out the "de" or the name is "Joan" and not "Juan" nothing will come up. Of course you can try every variation possible as it will probably not take longer than having to go through thousands of records.

Unfortunately, the date fields have never worked for me so you have to sift through hundreds of years worth of data.

Another tip... when the scan of the record is available, click on the red version of the camera. While you are not supposed to be able to right-click to save or print, if you are using Firefox, the code they have put into the page does not work and you will get an error message, but Firefox will let you save the image nevertheless. That is how I got yours.

Deena:

We had this problem with the emails that the system was sending out as well. I imagine that it has something to do with the character system that your email is using to decode the messages but I believe there is a way to get the message to include a marker telling the email program what character system it is encoded in.

Can you just confirm that you are seeing the question marks in your email and not on the site itself.

Alguien quien recibe estos mesnajes en español... ¿Me podrían decir si reciben estos mensajes llenos de marcas de interrogación donde deberían haber tildes?

Thank you for that information. I do not think this is the same Franisco PINEDO, however. When Francisco PINEDO appears in Tlaltenango, he already had some children and the ones that are born there are born around 1710 so that means he must have been born circa 1680.

The Francisco PINEDO below, as best I can tell was born circa 1770 if he had a granddaughter bron in 1817... almost a hundred years later. Please tell me if I am reading the record incorrectly.

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From: Gloria
Date: 2006/07/28 Fri PM 04:56:46 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Pinedo descendent in Jalisco

>>>>The other two are a Diego Pinedo who is a mulato in the early 1700s in Colotlan
and had lots of children and a Francisco Pinedo who appears in Tlaltenango around
1700. Before that there are no Pinedos in Tlaltenango other than a son of one of
the mayors in the early 1700s who appears to have left no descendancy in the area.
Francisco Pinedo appears to have immigrated from Tayahua, Zacatecas (in what is
now Villanueva) since the marriage of his oldest son states that he was born in
Tayahua. That makes sense and would explain why he doesn't appear >>>>>

I have no idea if this is the same Francisco PINEDO you are citing above, but maybe
this will lead to a connection:

from LDS #655564, Baptisms, El Sagrario, Autlan, Jalisco
Maria Gregoria PINEDO Navarro
born 11 Mar, baptized 12 Mar 1817
mulata de los Guajes
hija legitima de Jose Monico PINEDO y Maria Senobia NAVARRO
Abuelos paternos: Francisco PINEDO y Maria ALZAGA
Abuelos maternos: Juan NAVARRO y Maria Manuela RADILLO
Padrinos: Jose Seberino PLACENCIA y Maria Seberiana LOPEZ
75

The AM are Juan Joseph Antonio NAVARRO Guerrero, aka NABARRETTE,
hl de Julian NAVARRO y Juana Maria GUERRERO
and Juana Maria Manuela RADILLO Albares.
hl de Antonio Lusiano RADILLO Ocampos and Maria Ycacia ALBARES Gonsales

Gloria Delgado

That is VERY helpful. Thank you!

We are not Tigua, only closely associated with them on a spiritual, and emotional level. Grandpa and the Chief were virtually inseperable. As close as two human beings could be.

So that is quite possible that our family was asked to leave reservation property. I had never heard that, but it makes sense. And my grandfather probably died shortly afterwards.

My father is now buried on reservation land. He was interred with full tibal honors. He declined a traditional Christian ceremony. I gave my sister a third of his ashes, and I spread a third at the Mexican-American Veteran's Memorial here in Los Angeles on Indiana by Evergreen Cemetery, and my nephew (the one with the Mongolian blue spot!) took the last third with his Native American wife for an Indian burial with dancing, and banging drums...

I would have gone with them, if I had known. I was only told afterwards. But my father got the funeral he always dreamed of. One befitting his Moctezuma descent thru my gggrandmother Maria Silvestra Romo.

I heard from Marta Estrada today as well. She tells me the Libary/Geneaological Society "might" open in their new quarters in September! They keep pushing back the date.

Marta tells me they have quite a collection on the Tiguas.

---- "campezina@juno.com" wrote:
> This is for Nathan Jones.
>
> Nathan,
>
> I called Ms.Silvia Granillo (915-859-7913 who is the current Enrollment
> Officer of the Tigua Tribe. I asked about wheher Cacique (Chief)
> Perjuin Granillo was still alive. She told me that that was in the
> olden time. She never answered my question but a Cacique Aniceto
> Granillo died a long time ago. Perjuin may have been his nickname.
>
> You can probably borrow books about his fron the University of Texas at
> el Paso (UTEP) where they have Tigua history material.
>
> In one of their references Cacique Granillo is listed as follows
>
>
>
> Also, Silvia Granillo told me that she remembered an Alderete family
> who used to live in the reservation but that they were never Tigua. If
> I remember correctly (don't quote on this, it's been a long time since
> I read it) that family was kicked out of the Reservation when they
> dislodged several families who were not Tiguas.
>
> Ms. Granillo also told me that for further information you should call
> her at the number given. It might be usefull to pursue this further at
> the Tigua office.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Elvira
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: NathanJones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Do any of you in El Paso know if Chief Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas
> is still
> alive?
>
> I am told he has another name, this might be his Hispanic name.
>
> I am told he is the only living person who can verify my father's
> heritage.
>
> I'm told he has avoided all Alderetes for years because he feels
> responsible for
> the death of his best friend, my grandfather. He might think we want to
> kill
> him, but nothing is further from the truth. No one holds him
> responsible, the
> death was due to natural causes.
>
> Marta Estrada at the El Paso Historical Society has tried to help me,
> but she
> says all her documents and files are in storage. By the time the
> library is open
> again, he may be dead, if he isn't already.
>
> I believe there are pictures available of my ggrandfather, Benigno
> Alderete,
> perhaps at the Candelaria House, or in the library files. He was a major
> personage in his times.>
>
>
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I'm not sure if I am addressing the correct person by name but Ernie even
though I don't have any relatives buried in the LA area, its very gracious
and heart warming for you to offer your services in both research and
flowers for graves.

God Bless you
Hope Wilson
Clarksville,TN

Gilbert:

As you get further back in time this convention disappears completely and is replaced by something that few if any people can explain. Back in the early 1700s and earlier, children were given surnames that were sometimes the paternal name, sometimes the maternal name, sometimes a combination thereof and sometimes neither parent's name but rather that of a grandparent or even an uncle or padrino.

One pattern I have noticed is that surnames tended to be passed on based on land inheritance and prestige so that if land was inherited from the mother's side it was more likely the sons would take the mother's name, especially since there were probably no male offspring to propogate the name if she had inherited the land. Another phenomenon was that if a child was named after a grandparent, they usually got the whole name, including surname so a daughter named for her grandmother Maria de Saucedo would also be named Maria de Saucedo even if her father's surname was Miramontes and her mother's surname was Haro.

Sometimes a name gets combined (maternal and paternal, i.e. Miramontes y Haro or locative and patrinomic, i.e. Lopez de Talamantes) and passed on it the composed form for multiple generations before someone finally decided to chop off one or the other...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_naming_customs

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/surnames.html

http://blogs.ancestry.com/circle/?p=430&o_iid=24018&o_lid=24018

Arturo,

What a great option for all, to have the opportunity to learn from each other, both spanish and english speaking, aside from e-mail communication.

Que gran oportunidad para todos, poder compartir y recopilar informacion en ambas lenguas, español e ingles.

This site is one that brings much gratification, empowerment, knowledge, companionship, insight and kinship to many many people via cyberspace. Who could have imagined when I was growing up that I would have such close connections to people I have never met. For those of you who are younger and who grew up in the age of technology it is not something foreign. I used to have an elderly neighbor who when her husband passed away about 20 years ago and after she had been alone for for many years would say that she could no longer read the paper, not because she wasn't literate or couldn't see, she had been a teacher, but because much of the terminology was not something she could relate to.

Este sitio es trae mucha gratificacion, empoderamiento, sabiduria, acompañamiento, perspectiva, parentesco y afinidad via el espacio cybernetico. Quien se hubiese imaginado cuando yo era niña que fuera posible sentirme tan cerca a tantas personas que ni conozco. Para ustedes que son mucho mas jovenes y que se desarollaron en la epoca de tecnologia no es algo raro. Tuve una vecina anciana que cuando murio su esposo hace mas de 20 años y que despues de muchos años me decia, "no me es posible leer el periodico porque hay tanto que no entiendo" Esto no era porque no supiese leer puesto que fue profesora sino porque mucho del lenguaje no lo comprendia.

It was the high-tech age, talking of bytes and megabytes, e-mail, cache, semiconductors, mainframes, laptops, desktops, memory but not in the context she knew in terms of memory, bites, desktops and laptops and a many other words or phrases.

Era la epoca de bytes, megabytes, e-mail, cache, semiconductores, maniframes, laptops, memoria y otras frases y palabras pero no se usaban en el contexto que ella sabia sino que de manera ajena a su generacion.

I have gotten too wordy but I just wanted to thank you both for giving us the gift of your time, your talent and your wisdom.
Les quiero agradecer a Joseph y Arturo por el regalo que nos brindan con su sabiduria, talento y el tiempo que toman para mejorar la presentacion de informacion a este grupo de gentes que se interesan en la busca de sus ancestros y su historia.

Atentamente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:13:38 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Páginas en español

Ya que hay un número grande y creciente de miembros que prefieren comunicar en español es importante que intentemos hacer el sitio un poco más bilingüe. Lo que escriben los miembros en sus mensajes sería bastante difícil traducir, pero esto se puede hacer a través de una de las maquinas de traducción disponibles en la red como Babelfish. Intentaremos integrar esta función al sitio en el futuro.

Lo más importante por el momento es hacer que las páginas que genera el sitio que tengan instrucciones o información fundamental quedan traducidas. Si Vd. ha puesto en su perfil que su idioma sea español, deberá ver que los menus del costado derecho y la mayoría de páginas genéricas (es decir las que no contienen mensajes escritos por miembros) quedan traducidas al español. Sé que aún hay algunas páginas que no quedan traducidas. Si nos pueden ayudar a identificar páginas que no quedan traducidas, intentaremos traducirlas.

Ya verán que recién traducimos la página principal de archivos “Files” y algunas otras.

Well, don't do it on MY account! :) Marge:)
On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:13 AM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> Ya que hay un número grande y creciente de miembros que prefieren
> comunicar en español es importante que intentemos hacer el sitio un
> poco más bilingüe. Lo que escriben los miembros en sus mensajes sería
> bastante difícil traducir, pero esto se puede hacer a través de una de
> las maquinas de traducción disponibles en la red como Babelfish.
> Intentaremos integrar esta función al sitio en el futuro.
>
> Lo más importante por el momento es hacer que las páginas que genera
> el sitio que tengan instrucciones o información fundamental quedan
> traducidas. Si Vd. ha puesto en su perfil que su idioma sea español,
> deberá ver que los menus del costado derecho y la mayoría de páginas
> genéricas (es decir las que no contienen mensajes escritos por
> miembros) quedan traducidas al español. Sé que aún hay algunas
> páginas que no quedan traducidas. Si nos pueden ayudar a identificar
> páginas que no quedan traducidas, intentaremos traducirlas.
>
> Ya verán que recién traducimos la página principal de archivos “Files”
> y algunas otras.
>