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Francisco,

Could you please point out in your sources where Antonio Plascencia is mentioned?

Thank you,
Alex

Sorry, nothing to help connect the couple. The only other thing I have is Miguel's christening:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-531D-Y?i=194&wc=3JFG-L…

I have been trying to look at this information to help. How do you know Juan was Miguel's brother? I know that Juan used Pimentel as a surname as well but he could be a nephew i.e. grandson of Francisco and Isabel. I saw he has at least 1 child in the early 1700's. Not impossible but an uncommon timeline.

I have a list for "grupos y lenguas de indigenas" of Nueva Galicia for 1525 to 1621. The tribe listed then for Xalisco was "tecozquin" but there were so many others later on. Our DNA simply gives us "indigenous" and a general area. There really is no way to pinpoint a tribe yet to the DNA. I am haplogroup C - Native American, Pre-columbian. My mother was from the Pueblo tribes of New Mexico (Piro-Manso-Tiwa) and the language was Uto-Aztecan

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching type of Indians prevalent in Encarnacion de Diaz

My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

Hi Julio,

Thank you for the Census of Xerez.

I would like to ask you if by any chance to you have a census of "Rancho Carboneras" that was located near Xerez? My Angon ancestors owned the place during the time period of 1632 - 1700. Here is a 1648 Census of Rancho Carboneras and Valparaiso. Esteban Angon the owner of Rancho Carboneras and his father Joan Angon was at Valparaiso who was the original owner.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W9ND?cat=2302988

During the years supposedly Rancho Carboneras (Rancho de Joan De Angon that had a Cofradia) changed names over the years from an Estancia then after 1700 it became a Hacienda. Hacienda Santa Rosa.

So if you have any census of Rancho Carbonera (Rancho de Joan Angon) or Hacienda Santa Rosa? Can you show me?

The way I understand it, Miguel Flores, the soldier, and Rita Romero, the married wife, are the parents of the illegitimate child, Jose antonio. Jose Antonio de Cardenas, and his wife, Juana de Dios Tijerino, adopted the child. It says soldiers in plural, but most likely the only soldier was José Antonio Cardenas.

Hi! Well, I think so, it definitely says "por adopción". But what really catches my eye is the crossed out word. Where they always state if they are legitimate or illegitimate children, they seem to have crossed out another word, and then wrote something else above.

I can't fully understand any of them tbh but it looks like "hijo adulterino", which was a child born from a cheating spouse. The word on top might say "espurio", which matches the theory.

Also, it says the father is single while the mother is married. So maybe that's why they adopted the child? Also it seems interesting that the word "soldado" is there, but I wouldn't know if the father was a soldier (maybe that adds information to this story) or if it means something else (since it also says the adoptive parents are "soldados" and I don't think women could do that back then?)

Hope it helps!

Just get a computer with more that 8GB of Ram, and i5 cpu or more, a solid state drive and and average graphics card.

I would recommend getting a computer with a lot of RAM. Any new computer will be fine. At minimum you want 8GB of RAM (random access memory) on your computer. If you have multiple pages open and viewing scanned documents, more RAM will improve the performance of your efforts. Otherwise, the computer will seem sluggish.

Ernesto Duran

I have a 1648 census of Valparaiso and Rancho Carboneras. Rancho Carboneras belonged to my ancestor Joan (Juan) de Angon and his son Esteban Angon.

In the 1648 census Joan de Angon is viudo living at Valparaiso and his son Esteban Angon is soltero living at Rancho Carbonera.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W9ND?cat=2302988

Rancho Carbonera had a Cofradia there in place beginning in 1632. As there is an archive called "Cofradias 1632 - 1700" in the familysearch records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FSS1-7G?wc=3JHM-C66%3A…

Joan De Angon originally came from Brihuela, Spain and was on the Flota of 1606 where he was a passenger on the Nao Magdalena ship. That was a big fleet that sailed:

https://todoavante.es/index.php?title=1606_-_Flota_de_Nueva_Espa%C3%B1a

I have his passenger document in pasajeros from the pars website where it says the name of the ship he was on in 1606.

He then appears in 1632 owning "Rancho Joan De Angon" which was mentioned the name was Rancho Carbonera. A cofradia was there and it is like a diary of the activities going on where mostly elections for the Cofradia and visits from the Bishop of Guadalajara that passed by.

Esteban Angon inherited the Rancho De Joan Angon (Carboneras) from Joan De Angon. And in the census of 1648 of Valparaiso. Joan De Angon is viudo living in Valparaiso and Esteban Angon in Rancho Carboneras.

In one of those pages of the Cofradias 1632 - 1700 it mentions that Esteban Angon had two herederos. I am sure one of them was Maria De La Candelaria Angon.

Maria De La Candelaria Angon was married to my ancestor Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709). Maria De La Candelaria has received property from Juan Lobato in 1697 called Atemajac. I believe that Juan Lobato was the on of Felipe Lobato who is on the 1648 valpariso census.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-J7F9-4?cat=278176

So my ancestors Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria (Angon) had registered their properties "Las Palmas and Atemejac" with the Real Audencia of Guadalajara in 1697 - 1698.

They had several sons and daughters. I am branched off from their son Joseph Madera.

But one of their sons name Juan Madera then in 1757 went to meet with the niece of Don Fernando Campa y Cos named Manuela Garcia De Rodellega about doing measurements of the properties of Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria called Palmitos and Atemejac:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-R3F6?i=56&cat=278…

on page 62 here is the actual measurements of those properties next to Valparaiso:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-R34C?i=61&cat=278…

The cofradia de was at Rancho de Joan De Angon (Rancho Carboneras) beginning in 1632 had tried to move to Valaparaiso but was rejected by the spouse of Manuela Garcia De Rodellega. So then the Cofradia moved to Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico and I believe that is why the archive of the cofradia is located in the files of Huejuquilla. Today there is a ranch in huejuquilla name La Cofradia.

I want to ask if you can find more data on Maria De La Candelaria for me. I know her full last name is Angon because when her daughter got married it says in the archdioces records that her name is Maria De La Candelaria Angon. So the Angon must be her maiden name.

Who are the parents of Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria Angon? Antonio Madera's parents I would like to know if you can find that. I am pretty sure the father of Maria de La Candelaria is Esteban Angon and grandfather Joan De Angon.

Joan De Angon seemed to have some relation to Felipe Lobato where they both appear on the 1648 Valparaiso Census. Because then Juan Lobato passed tierras to Maria De La Candelaria in 1697.

I got excited when I saw Zacoalco on the headline, since a lot of my ancestors lived in this town. Sadly, neither of these two couples are related to me. I have a Flores ancestor in Zacoalco, but that's way before 1868. I hope a descendant who will appreciate these records shows up. I just have a question, how did this gentleman/lady get hold of these documents?

Saludos.

Steve in NC.

Según lo que he visto en los registros y lo que he leído sobre el tema el reino de Nueva Galicia vivió un crecimiento agrícola, económico y demográfico en el siglo XVIII. Este crecimiento atrajo a muchos a dicho reino. Entre ellos hubo ricos, pobres, comerciantes, cultivadores, ganaderos, arrieros, mano de obra, terratenientes, aventureros, criminales, funcionarios públicos, militares, religiosos, profesionales y muchos otros. Algunos también llevaron esclavos. Todos dejaron huella. Y se supone que cada uno de ellos tuvo su propio motivo por el cual llegaron a estar en Nueva Galicia.

Como ejemplo está la hacienda de Santa Ana Pacueco, que abarca una parte de los Altos, y que fue un área de oportunidad para muchas personas. Este latifundio fue tan vasto que en vez de gestionarlo de forma centralizada fue dividido en parcelas que luego fueron arrendadas a individuos o familias emprendedoras. Muchos de estos arrendatarios, sus familias, y su mano de obra (incluyendo esclavos) tuvieron su origen en el reino de Nueva España, principalmente en el Bajío y Michoacán.

No tengo un conocimiento profundo sobre este asunto y las lecturas que he hecho sobre este tema son pocas. Hay otros aquí que saben más y que nos pueden decir mucho más sobre esta cuestión.

I want to add the following about civil marriage records. In most civil marriage records of this time period, one should find two entries for every couple that married successfully. The first one is the presentación and the second one the matrimonio.

In the case of Francisco Campos and María González, the earlier entry is the presentación. It is stated so at the beginning of the record. In the latter entry it says matrimonio at the beginning. Every couple who married successfully should have a corresponding presentación and matrimonio entry, usually in the same book. For example, Bonifacio Reyes and Carmen Medina had their presentación recorded right after Francisco and María’s on page 207 (image 259), and had their matrimonio recorded right before Francisco and Maria’s on page 220 (image 272).

The difference with church marriage records is that the información matrimonial and the marriage records are almost always found in separate books.

Hi!!
At the end of the first document it states that the witnesses said they knew the couple and that they could be married, so they started the corresponding publication of the marriage and I guess paper work. So yeah, in the first date they started the process and then they had to come back once it was settled.

Also note that the bride was underage at the time, so they needed the consent of the father. Maybe the church wanted them to be legally married first because of that?

Edit: Maybe the last part makes it clear:

"Se publicó este matrimonio segpun disposición (...) el veinticinco de Julio (...) Agosto del año de siete, sin resulta de impedimento alguno ni aún pasado el testmonio legal; por lo mismo mandé (...) la celebración del mismo enlace, el cual se verificó con mi licencia en la Iglesia Parroquial el veintinueve del mismo Agosto..."

So indeed, I would say they were waiting to see if there was also no legal impediment for the wedding.

What you found is actually typical, I think. The only thing missing in your collection is the church’s record of the marriage.

Here in the States, one can apply for a marriage license from the local, secular authority, but then have a religious marriage officiant (priest, pastor, minister, rabbi, imam, etc…) perform the ceremony. It is kind of like a 2-for-1; Church and State together in one act of union.

México practices a stricter separation of Church and State in this regard. One can be legally married by the local, secular, civil authority, and, if so desired, can also go to the local parish and apply to be married there by a priest as well. Which is what happened here. Francisco and María declared their intent to marry at both the Registro Civil and the church on the same day.

The civil record dated July 26th, 1907 (image 259) is when they appeared at the Registro Civil to initiate the marriage process. The record says, “…comparecieron Francisco Campos y María González con objetivo de iniciar su matrimonio…” This process is akin to the información matrimonial at the church. Its purpose is to see if they meet the requirements for marriage according to legal statutes.

The civil record dated August 27th, 1907 (image 272) is when they were legally married. It states, “…comparecieron Francisco Campos y María González con objetivo de consumar su matrimonio…” The act of marital union was made official by the presiding officiant, “…el Juez que subscribe los declaró perfectamente unidos en legítimo e indisoluble matrimonio.”

Many churches will not marry couples unless they are already legally married. That could be why the church wedding did not take place until the 29th of August, two days after the civil wedding.

I am no expert on the topic. If others can add to or correct what I have said here, I welcome them to do so.

I hope this helps.

PS - Notice the absence of the honorific "don" in the civil records. Why do you suppose that is?

I haven’t checked all my records yet but I can add pieces to your puzzle. Maria de Jesus is also known as Maria de Jesus Gonzalez de Hermosillo.

Rick A Ricci

The record does say J. Abraham. J. Abraham Pulido may have used “José “ or Abraham as his name.

There is a José A. Pulido that comes up in a census in 1930. Census records are not always accurate when listing the ages, especially when there is a big age difference between the spouses. He is listed as being 48 with an 18 year old wife. You should check for baptismal or birth records of his children to see if José A. Pulido and J. Abraham Pulido are the same person. Jose A. Pulido has a 17 year-old son In 1930 so his wife Couldn’t be his son’s biological mother as she is 18 in 1930.

We are distantly related through Delgadillo, Diaz de Leon, Carbajal, Figueroa, and other surnames. Our closest ancestors live in the early 1700’s.

Rick A. Ricci

Hi!

Sure:

"In Saucedo's chapel, on May the eleventh of 1870, the Pr. Ygnacio Olivares with the license of the parish priest, with the previous matrimonial information and having sent everything else to revise in the Holy Council of Trento, married and (I don't know the translation of "velar", sorry) Dolores Macías and Juana Lozada: godparents Lucas Lechuga and Matiana Macías, witnesses: Leonardo Gutiérrez and Zeferina Díaz, and for the record I signed it with the priest"

hope it helps!

I have the same problem. I do have a database of Aguayo records I've collected from LDS church records. I'm happy to share. I'm at edjeanne0407@gmail.com. They nearly all are from Nochistlan, Zacatecas, although some of my ancestors also were in Cuautitlan, Nay and Guachinango. Regards, Ed

Hi there,

Go with the baptism records which are accurate with the dates. Back then the were not concerned about their birth dates and most of the time would forget the year they were born in. A lot of my records after the baptismal are not correct with the age.

Thank you,
Esther

Saludos a todos. Hope all is well with everyone.

While looking for records in Lagos de Moreno for 1798, I came across records mixed for 1698.

Among them was the record for Nicolas Ballin hijo de Nicolas Ballin y Bictoria Sotomayor vuido de Petronilla de Yslas to be married to Petronilla Cabrera (Olivares) Francisco Olivares states that he has raised Petronilla Cabrera from a young tender age. Perhaps this question was already settled some time ago, but I did not find the follow up nodes if there was one. Thank you.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V299-JV

Question: All information points to Petronilla Cabrera alias Olivares as being Petronilla Ramirez. She was 15 years old at time of marriage. Does anyone have any sources that have her as being also Ramirez?
Thanks,

While researching an unrelated couple, I came upon the following marriage record for Joseph Narsiso Ballin & Juana Gertrudis Pinto.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11592-124207-67?cc=1410092…

The marriage was on 27 Feb. 1736 in Aguascalientes. Parents for Joseph Narsiso are listed as Nicolas Ballin and Roza de Urquisa (both deceased). Perhaps a third marriage for Nicolas for you to research?

Regards,
Austin Perez

Nicolas Ballin appears as Nicolas Vasquez Vallin in the baptism of his
daughter Maria Iphigenia. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NP11-Y4Z My
hypothesis is that he is the same Nicolas Vasquez Vallin that married
Petrona de Islas Calderon 28 Jul 1692. Nicolas Ballin also had children
with Petra or Petrona Olivares. Petra, Petrona, and Petronila are
interchangeable. Hopefully someone else here can clarify if these Petras
are one woman, two women or three women with the same first name but
different surnames.

Armando

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM, wrote:

> Does any one have any info on both of these individuals.The only info that
> i have from them both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico, And i have their
> son birth record Juan Ballin Ramires.Please anyone who has info.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-19061-21?**
> cc=1410092&wc=6834962

Hola Ed,

Laws regarding slavery in New Spain were similar to laws in the US. First of all, Pablo Lucio would have to receive permission from Gertrudis’ owner to marry her. After their marriage, unless Pablo bought her freedom, or if her owner liberated her, she remained a slave. Any children that she gave birth to, while still a slave, would be born slaves and would remain the property of the owner, until they decided to sell or liberate them.

On the other hand, if a male slave married a free woman, he still had to receive permission from his owner, but their children would be born free.

Any records regarding the sale or liberation of slaves would be found in the protocolos notariales, rather than the church records. I don't know where the protocolos for Durango can be found - I have seen some in the Guadalajara protocolos, but they were very few.

I hope that helps!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

The only record is a marriage dispensation of J. Manuel Sánchez Vázquez with Ricarda Yañez González in which it states that the sisters Maria Josefa and Victoria Vallin are daughters of Nicolás Vallín. I can't find the reference right now but perhaps someone else will be kind enough to supply it.

I have a lot of Duran family on my tree, wonder if we may be from the same line. My GEDmatch kit number is KK6796917

Hello Ernesto,

Finding the parents of someone who has a record stating “Padres no conocidos” is not impossible, but it will take work. The most likely place to look for more information is to to go through all of his children’s records with a fine tooth comb. The first ones to look at are baptismal records.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Armando,

I have sort of the same question of Mr. Ricci, but I noticed on several
peoples different trees they have Diego Perez De Vivar and Catalina Ponce
De Leon as the Grandparents of our Capitan Diego Romo De Vivar like these
peoples

http://gw.geneanet.org/turandot1?lang=en;pz=luis;nz=nunez+gornes;ocz=0;…

http://www.paginasprodigy.com.mx/glezgo/familiago/pafg61.htm#203

Could the people thats mentioned in pares as a person from the inquisicion
be the grandparents of our Capitan Diego Romo De Vivar?

Danny C. Alonso

When I find a lead on familysearch.com that I want to explore further, there is often an LDS tape cited. When I view this it is a parish book with many pages. Is there a way to find the particular page for the record of interest? I used to order the roll from Salt Lake City and spin through it until my record was found.

Thank You, Harry

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Thank you, thank you, thank you to Jaime Alvarado. I had been searching various records for that baptismfor some time. How were you able to find it so easily? Very greatful. Thank you also for the input fromeveryone as I continue the search.Deedra Corona

ya mande una introduccion pero no se si esta bien, los downloads que hay ahi no son para Mac asi que tuve que improvisar.gracias.

It is helpful when considering any genealogical source to find out, or imagine, how the record was created, and how the information was gathered. Most genealogical records are not court depositions, where the testimony of each informant was rigorously cross-examined for acurracy and validity. Technically, most genealogical evidence is just one step above hear-say.
Consider a christening record, for example. Who was present at the christening? Likely, the mother was not: she may have been at home, secluded, as was sometimes the custom. How well informed were those present concerning the mother's parents? Or of when the baby was actually born? How far was the chapel from the parents' residence? Who made the journey? Or did the priest go to the family? Did he carry the record book with him? Did the priest know the family? Did he make the record himself or did an assistant? Was the record made at the time of the christening or later from memory? Did the priest gather the information amid a lot of conversation and confusion? Was he in a hurry? Did the informants have anything to hide? How many times was the record copied? ...
There are hundreds of such questions. Always consider the circumstances and the times, and imagin the possible variations.

Alice Blake wrote:

>Thanks so much, Stuart.  Many things to consider.  Being a novice at genealogy, I took for granted that the record entries I was reading were the originals.  I've run across all sorts of things, like an entry stating a Sept date placed in the middle of Nov.  One of my favorites is the ever helpful, "on the same day, of the same month, of the same year" on page after page!  Thanks so much,  Alice 
>
>--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Stuart Armstrong wrote:
>
>
>From: Stuart Armstrong
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 6:25 PM
>
>
>>...so the priest most likely made a mistake ...
>
>In studying the records of San José de Gracia, Aguascalientes, I have
>determined that the "original records" are not really original. In
>that parish, for example, there are a great many oodles and gobs of
>mistakes like the ones described in this thread. Because the records
>are hand-written copies from other books or papers. Each month begins
>with the records from Rincón de Romos, and runs from the 1st to the
>31st. Then the records from San José de Gracia - another chapel in
>that parish - are entered, beginnin with the first of the month and
>running in order to the 31st. The only way they could be recorded in
>that order is if they were copied from something else.
>
>In noting the many variations of both given names and surnames, I have
>noticed that the mistakes are typically variations that LOOK alike
>when written, but do not necesarily sound alike - such as Florencia
>and Filomena, and Chávez and Chaires, and yes García and Garza. Even
>though the Cura's handwriting may be clear, the sources that he copied
>from evidently were not.
>
>Other common mistakes:
>  Gender indicators inconsistant or simply wrong.
>  Name in margin does not agree with name in the body of the record.
>  Names of parents and abuelos mixed up.
>  Part of a record has some information copied from another
>    unrelated record, often from the preceding record.
>  Omissions - required information accidentally omitted.
> 
>What happens when a priest made a mistake and knew it? In modern
>English we were taught in school to put a line through the mistake and
>then write it correctly. But many priests simply put () parentheses
>around the mistake and continued. If you aren't looking closely you
>might miss that. Also if a person extracting names for the IGI wasn't
>aware of that practice, he or she might put down something that was
>never intended by the original creator of the record.
> 
>In other cases, there are variations that do not appear to be
>mistakes. Sometimes a parent's name in a dozen different records will
>be half one way and half another. Problems with inconsistant family
>relationships can sometimes be traced to two siblings who have the
>exact same name. Women, particularly, did not always use the same
>surname, regardless of marital status. I have some who were known by
>as many as seven different surnames.
>
>Not all of the priests were concientious. In the front of each volume
>beginning about 1872 is the following notice:
>
>"Y por cuanto á que es tan frecuente que los Ministros dejan sin
>firmar las partidas de los bautismos que administran, mandó S.S.Y. que
>en lo sucesivo lo hagan en las primeros ocho dias del mes precisamente
>con las del anterior, bajo el concepto que no verificandolo, pagarán
>por cada vez que falten dos pesos á beneficio de la fábrica
>espiritual, sin perjuicio de la responsabilidad de conciencia que
>reportan por no cumplir con ese deber, y á fin de que se tenga siempre
>presente ésta disposición, cuyo cumplimiento será de la
>responsabilidad de los párrocos, se copiarsá la presente cláusula al
>principio de los Libros que se hagan en lo sucesivo, Así S.S.Ylma. lo
>proveyó, mandó, y firmó. - firmado + Pedro - Arzobpo. de Guad.a - una
>rúbrica - Jacinto Lopez - una rúbrica - P. Srio." Es cópia que
>certifica.
>
>Very rough translation:
>
>Inasmuch as it is so frequent that the Ministers do not sign the
>certificates of the Baptisms they (have) administered, it is so
>ordered that, from now on, in the first eight days of the month
>precisely, all of the certificates of the previous month must be
>verified ... or they will be fined two pesos for each failure to
>comply ... and it will be the responsibility of the parish priests
>that this clause shall be copied to the front of every volume ...
>Provided, ordered, and affirmed by the Archbishop of Guadalajara ...
>
>
>
>-- Best regards, Stuart
>mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
>

Dear Group,
What is the recommended course of action?
I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation.  I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case. 
On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta  Minchaca.  I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered. 
Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza". 
Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia".  Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza?  That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.  
How do I handle this?  For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames?  And won't that cause problems later?      Thanks so much for your expertise and help,   Alice

> Joseph, my name is Kenneth Tejeda, and I am very interested in researching the Tejeda name as our roots are from Jalisco, Mexico. I currently live in Agoura, California and have been trying to trace our family name for many years. My grandfather was born in Michocanejo, Jalisco in the early 1900's. His name was Jesus Tejeda, and his father(Toribio) and Grandfather (Juan) were also born in Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo. I visited Michoacanejo in 1980, and stayed with Teresa Delgadillo for 2-3 days. I had a chance to speak briefly with Ignacio (?) Tejeda while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to go down to the church (Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores) in Teocaltiche during my visit to further research our family name. Que lastima!! My great aunt, Delores Tejeda, who was also born in Michoacanejo (she was the younger sister of my grandfather Jesus) helped set up my trip down to Jalisco in 1980.

I look forward to researching the Tejeda name and Roots in the Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo area of Jalisco. I assume many of the records would be in Teocaltiche at the famous Iglesia - Nuesta Senora de Los Delores - Our trail leads to Juan Tejeda, father of Toribio Tejeda, who lived in Michoacanejo. Juan, is the Great grandfather of my father, Rennie Tejeda. We seem to have questions / be stuck regarding the birth of Juan Tejeda as to when and where.

Muchas Gracias,

Senor Ken Tejeda
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Hola, Juan Ramon,

Nos venimos a vivir a Utah porque mi esposo y yo veniamos de vacaciones , y nos gustaba la tranquilidad de este lugar, despues nuestras hijas crecieron y ya no queriamos que ellas siguieran en California porque pensamos que este era un buen lugar para que ellas crecieran  venian de 10,8, y un anio. asi que ahora tienen 16, 14, y 8 y este lugar es muy pacifico la gente aqui es buena ( bueno aunque hay de todo) pero nuestros vecinos son buenos y amables. a mi siempre me gusto estar en contacto con la naturaleza, asi que en este lugar tu puedes ver las montanas , el cielo azul,  la nieve cuando es temporada, puedes ver venados, vacas, caballos, gallinas , aveztruces , patos, borregos, y asi toda clase de animales, y tambien mi esposo se va a pescar  a un rio que esta muy cerquita de la casa. asi que por eso me gusta este lugar, y porque mis hijas crecieron y espero que asi

sigan de una manera muy sana.

yo soy de Mexico, naci en Guadalajara jalisco, mis antepasados son de tepatitlan jalisco,  Acatic, Colima y Cd. Guzman

y bueno en realidad tu vives muy cerquita de donde viviamos nosotros.

bueno me despido.

Martha

Dolores,

I would suggest, trying trying the FamilySearch Record Search page (pilot). I have been able to piece together Family tree on both sides of your family.

Fourth Generation

8. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 17 Jun 1920 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 18 Jun 1920. Manuel married Piedad Nunez.
9. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880 in Mexico. She died on 5 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 8 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1897.
M ii. Francisco Resendez was born in 1899.
M iii. Jesus Resendez was born in 1903.
M iv. Antonio Resendez was born on 26 Nov 1905. He died on 22 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 24 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Salvador Resendez was born in 1908.
M vi. Juan Bautista Resendez was born on 7 Nov 1911 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 30 Aug 1912 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 31 Aug 1912.
+ 4 M vii. Raymundo Resendez was born on 24 Aug 1912. He died on 16 Dec 1942.
F viii. Mary Resendez was born in 1915.
10. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884 in Mexico. He died on 31 Jan 1952 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 1 Feb 1952 in El Paso, Texas, USA. Guillermo married Delfina Aguilar.
11. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889 in Chihuahua, Mexico. She died on 5 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Lorenzo Cordova was born about 1907.
F ii. Midra Cordova was born on 15 May 1911 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 7 Apr 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Apr 1913.
+ 5 F iii. Manuela Cordova was born on 10 Jun 1913. She died on 24 Nov 1948.
F iv. Flora Cordova was born on 22 Mar 1915 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 17 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 20 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Guillermo Cordova was born about 1917.
F vi. Ignacia Cordova was born on 31 Jul 1919 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 25 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 28 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M vii. Santiago Cordova was born about 1921.
M viii. Juan Cordova was born about 1924.
F ix. Juanita Cordova was born on 12 Mar 1928 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
12. Ancelmo Guerrero was born in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died in 1906 in El Paso, Texas. Ancelmo married Paula Martinez Ibarra.
13. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844 in Mexico. She was christened in Sonora, Mexico. She died on 9 Aug 1930 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 11 Aug 1930.
They had the following children.
M i. Donaciano Guerrero was born on 24 May 1887 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 10 Oct 1943 in Cochise, Arizona, United States.
F ii. Casimiro Guerrero was born in about 1891 in Mexico.
F iii. Altagracia ( Twin ) Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iv. Benito Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 22 Jan 1962 in Silver City, Grant, New Mexico, United States.
M v. Anselmo II Guerrero was born on 4 Jun 1899 in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 14 Oct 1993 in Odessa, Ector, Texas, United States.
+ 6 M vi. Luz J Guerrero was born on 4 Jan 1900. He died on 21 Nov 1973.
14. Juan Castanon. Juan married Concepcion Orosco.
15. Concepcion Orosco.
They had the following children.
+ 7 F i. Engracia Castanon was born on 16 Apr 1910. She died on 4 Oct 1950.

Fifth Generation

16. Jose Maria Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Jose married Maria de los Angeles Resendez.
17. Maria de los Angeles Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 8 M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864. He died on 17 Jun 1920.
M ii. Agustin Resendez.
19. Exequia Nunez.
She had the following children.
+ 9 F i. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880. She died on 5 Sep 1965.
20. Manuel Cordova Apodaca. Manuel married Petra Lopez.
21. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873 in Mexico. She died on 1 May 1928 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 2 May 1928.
They had the following children.
F i. Mra Eulalia de la Luz Cordova was christened on 28 Dec 1869 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M ii. Estanislado Miguel De Jesus Cordova Lopes was christened on 12 May 1874 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iii. Manuela Cordova Lopez was born in 1879 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 20 Feb 1927 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 22 Feb 1927.
F iv. ... Maria ... Cordova was christened in Feb 1880 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 10 M v. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884. He died on 31 Jan 1952.
F vi. Maria del Refugio Cordova was christened on 8 Apr 1888 in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vii. Maria Juana Cordova was christened on 11 Mar 1893 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
22. Jose Inez Aguilar. Jose married Zenono Gutierrez.
23. Zenono Gutierrez.
They had the following children.
M i. Juan Aguilar was born on 24 Jun 1886 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 17 Jul 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 17 Jul 1913.
+ 11 F ii. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889. She died on 5 Dec 1972.
26. Julia Martinez was born in Mexico. Julia married Dionicia Ybarra.
27. Dionicia Ybarra was born in Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 13 F i. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844. She died on 9 Aug 1930.
28. Pedro Castanon. Pedro married Maria Franco.
29. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874 in Mexico. She died on 16 Oct 1951 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 18 Oct 1951 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
+ 14 M i. Juan Castanon.
F ii. Pabla Castanon was born on 25 Jan 1888 in Mexico. She died on 27 Feb 1976 in El Paso, Texas, USA.

Sixth Generation

40. Jose Miguel Gregorio Cordoba Garsia was christened on 9 May 1808 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. Jose married Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara on 27 Feb 1832 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
41. Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara was christened on 29 Dec 1809 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 20 M i. Manuel Cordova Apodaca.
F ii. Mra . Gertrudis Refugio Cordova Apodaca was christened on 16 Nov 1840 in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe, Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F iii. Maria Teofila Nicanora Cordoba Apodaca was christened on 10 Jan 1843 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
42. Miguel Lopez. Miguel married Maria Cordova.
43. Maria Cordova.
They had the following children.
+ 21 F i. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873. She died on 1 May 1928.
58. Seferino Franco. Seferino married Seferina Ortiz.
59. Seferina Ortiz.
They had the following children.
+ 29 F i. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874. She died on 16 Oct 1951.

Seventh Generation

80. Jose Maria Cordoba. Jose married Maria Josefa Garcia de Noriega on 14 Jun 1802 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
81. Maria Josefa Garcia de Noriega.
They had the following children.
F i. Maria Josefa Guadalupe Cordoba Garcia was christened on 25 Mar 1803 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F ii. Maria Josefa Yanuaria Cordoba Garcia was christened on 20 Sep 1804 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iii. Jose de Jesus Benigno Cordova Garsia was christened on 14 Feb 1806 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 40 M iv. Jose Miguel Gregorio Cordoba Garsia was christened on 9 May 1808.
F v. Ma. Franca. Tomasa Cordoba Garsia was christened on 18 Sep 1809 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vi. Ma. Trenidad Josefa de La Cruz Cordoba Garcia was christened on 15 Sep 1810 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vii. Ma. Guadalupe Josefa Cordoba Garcia was christened on 3 Feb 1812 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
82. Ramon Ynocencio Apodaca. Ramon married Maria Guadalupe Nino Ladron de Guevara on 6 Nov 1804 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
83. Maria Guadalupe Nino Ladron de Guevara.
They had the following children.
F i. Josefa Gorgoria Apodaca Guevara was christened on 12 Sep 1805 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M ii. Jose Rosalio Apodaca Guebara was christened on 3 Sep 1807 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 41 F iii. Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara was christened on 29 Dec 1809.
M iv. Jose Antonio Marcelo Apodaca Guebara was christened on 21 Feb 1812 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M v. Jose Onofre Basilio Apodaca Guebara was christened on 26 Jun 1815 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M vi. Jose Ramon Apodaca Guevara was christened in Mar 1820 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M vii. Jose Julian Apodaca Guevara was christened on 14 Feb 1823 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.

I hope that this helps.

Jonathan

Hola
Manny Diez,

I’m so excited to read your detailed synopsis of the Gutierrez Duron family history. Last week, I was revisiting & updating some of my research re: the two marriages of Francisco Gutierrez Duron as well as records for the offspring of both unions. I’m related to these families thru the marriage of my matrilineal 6th great grandmother, Ana Cristina Marquez to Juan Faustino Duron (aka: Ruiz Colmenero), son of José Manuel Duron...a son of Francisco’s 2nd marriage to Beatriz Rodriguez de Vera. I’ve long been intrigued & puzzled by the alternative use of the Ruiz Colmenero combination in some records, and I very much appreciate the points you’ve laid out for these possible surname connections! I have my own research on the Francisco Gutierrez Duron families posted in WikiTree, beginning with Francisco at the following link: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gutiérrez_Durón-11. If you click the dark green “Descendants” button, it presents a generational overview of all the records I currently have uploaded, along with sourcing links. I’ll definitely be reviewing my research to compare our descendant lists with an eye to missing or alternative records/sources. BTW: You & I were in contact several years ago re: Ysidro de Udave, my maternal 8th great grandfather. It looks like we’re distantly related primos thru Francisco Gutierrez Duron! Best regards❣️Consuelo Udave

Dang, I wish I knew spanish. Looks like there is far more information in the documents I look at besides parents, ages, residencies etc. Good work Manny! Even though I'm not a descendant to these people, your posts always put things in context and I thoroughly enjoy reading them!