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[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:52 PM
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Subject: [ranchos] The book, ''Rain of Gold
''

A great book to read to get some perspective on how our ancestors lived
and how and why they left during the revolution is Rain of Gold by Victor
Villaseñor, or Lluvia de Oro. I read it in both Spanish and English and I
cried both times. It also gives some insight into what the immigrants
experienced when they came to the US. For those of us who have our roots in
Mexico it's a very powerful book, very

That's something else my grandma would have cooking on her stove...camote. She would serve yams or sweet potatoes cooked in brown sugar (or peloncillo) with milk in a bowl. I never ate them, but my older sister Lissie just loved them.



Marge:)

 

By the way, my father used to like to eat cooked yams in their skin, and he and my mother would pour a little half-and-half and smoosh it in like they were making whipped potatoes.  I eat them out of the skin, too, but I eat them plain.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA.

 

Marge,

You brought cherished memories back.  Those sayings are all too well 
known by me and my brothers.

The version my mother remembers from her childhood, whose words we 
were tickled to, is "andaba la hormiguita, buscando su leñita, llegó 
la lloviznita y corrió, corrió para su casita". Even my daughter 
enjoyed as a child laughing openly when being tickled by her grandma.

I'm sure you must remember this one: "este dedito se halló un 
huevito, este lo coció, este lo peló, este le echó la sal y este 
gordito se lo comió" while at the same time the fingers were ran from 
the little toe to the big toe.  Who else remembers?

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
> My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se 
> levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little.  
> Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, 
is "habia 
> una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio,

My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little. Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, is "habia una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio, corrio para su casa." And she would be walking her fingers up my arm and tickle me at the end of the story.



Marge:)

On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

Alicia,



You beat me to the saying "El que tiene más saliva traga más pinole",

but have you heard the one that says "No se puede chiflar y tragar

pinole al mismo tiempo"?



I guess that's the Mexican equivalent of "you can't have your cake

and eat it too"



Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> John,

> 

> Have you had atole de Pinole? If you haven''t you must try it, esta

muy sabroso! You can make atole de pinole with milk or water or milk

and water. Many people add sugar and cinnamon. It''s a

What a wonderful story you have shared! When I went to Jerez in late
November 2000, I was only there for a few hours because the altitude
was killing me...my husband and I stayed in Zacatecas city and man!!!
was I ever sick. We cut short our trip and flew to Juarez, crossed the
border to El Paso, spent the night at my sister's house, drove to
Albuquerque, and then drove home to KC.

I loved being there...and wanted spend more

What a wonderful story you have shared! When I went to Jerez in late November 2000, I was only there for a few hours because the altitude was killing me...my husband and I stayed in Zacatecas city and man!!! was I ever sick. We cut short our trip and flew to Juarez, crossed the border to El Paso, spent the night at my sister's house, drove to Albuquerque, and then drove home to KC.



I loved being there...and wanted spend more time there. As far as I know, my grandmother had no living relatives there left, I did touch base with some very, very distant relatives and spoke about family history. My grandmother's madrina was Trinidad Berumen, which is the name of a famous poet's mother. There are numerous family names we share.



Let's do more of this! Marge:)

On Jun 26, 2005, at 1:02 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

My paternal line is also from District of Jerez Zacatecas. In 1936 my father was there for 3 months working and living with his grandparents (Sanchez/Reveles.)  He said

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)

I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
city.

I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas. I believe
even she didn't

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lrapido wrote:

I am sorry.
I somehow deleted a message from a person asking about Teocaltiche
Please send the message again.  I would love to answer it.

John Gonzalez





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I have eaten tamles with raisins and "dulce de viznaga" they are great
tasting. If you go to Northern Mexico, don't be surprised to find
olives in your tamal! ( Sonora)

John Gonzalez

Emilie,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and reflections since childhood 
about Mexican history.

I have frequently wondered more or less about the same things myself, 
but more so since I started my pursuit of genealogy.  I'm sure you'll 
agree that in this sense genealogy is much more than a simple hobby.

If everyone was at least partially aware of their own genealogical 
roots we would surely have a most tolerant and peaceful world.  As 
Mexicans, most of us are the product of the clash of two opposing 
worlds and cultures.  As difficult as it is to admit the painful 
facts of our ancestral history, we have to come to terms with both 
sides of our nature, and reconcile our inner self with the past.

I believe we should trascend the feelings of guilt or remorse as much 
as we should trascend the feelings of revenge or vindictiveness.  
Whenever we instruct those that come after us and cite or expose an 
episode of our history, we should never forget that greater calling 
we have as

Alicia,

You beat me to the saying "El que tiene más saliva traga más pinole", 
but have you heard the one that says "No se puede chiflar y tragar 
pinole al mismo tiempo"?

I guess that's the Mexican equivalent of "you can't have your cake 
and eat it too"

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> John,
>  
> Have you had atole de Pinole? If you haven''t you must try it, esta 
muy sabroso! You can make atole de pinole with milk or water or milk 
and water. Many people add sugar and cinnamon. It''s a thickened 
sweet drink usually served with tamales in the wintertime, especially 
at Christmas. Pinole comes in a dry powdered form and it takes 
moisture and heat to dissolve it. When you taste it dry because of 
it''s fine powdery consistency it can get caught in the back of your 
throat thereby inducing coughing fits.
> Have you heard the dicho or saying, El que tiene mas saliva, traga 
mas pinole? When two people engage in a verbal sparring match

I agree, John, everyone should give pinole a try!

Tarahumaras fame as runners is well known, but I've always heard that 
they frequently use peyote, their sacred cactus, to increase their 
stamina in long distance running across the desert.  Maybe they carry 
two little pouches: one filled with pinole and one filled with peyote?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lrapido" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> Talking about food...
> I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is 
> a high energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed 
> with brown sugar (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes 
> either lemon or orange peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians 
of 
> Chihuahua use it as a staple food. Tarahumaras are basically 
> vegetarians, with meat accounting for about less than 10% of their 
> diet. They eat Pinole it or drink it ( can be mixed with water 
> or ? ) before they run the ultra marathons.  Pinole is a very 
> convinient high