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Austin, thank you. I spent all night looking for it and was about to give
up.

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Does anyone in the Forum know where the baptism of Isabel Ramirez is? She's
the daughter of Capt. Luis Lopez Ramirez and Catalina Rubio. It's in Family
Search that she was baptized on July 2nd 1628. But it doesn't look like
it's there. Has anyone found it yet? It should be around this page:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18576-10996-15?cc=1874591&wc…

But it doesn't look like it's there.

Name Ysabel Lopez Rubio
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Jul 1628
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS
LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Luis Lopez
Mother's Name Catalina Rubio

Danny C. Alonso

Here's a clue, Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Isabel Ramirez had a
son named Juan Alonso de los Hinojos baptized 25 Jul 1664 in Aguascalientes.
Prior to this Juan there was another, probably died young, only this Juan
is specifically baptized as Juan Ramirez baptized 17 May 1655 in Aguascalientes.
They gave this Juan Ramirez although his father was also Juan maybe this is
a clue. Have you tried informacion matrimonial?
Daniel

I looked in the Family History Catalog for Zacatecas church records, and this is what the film notes for Sagrario state:

Notes:

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

La parroquia Sagrario antes se denominaba Santo Domingo.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and deaths from Sagrario Parish (formerly known as Santo Domingo), Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Includes a book of marriages performed in 1824-1829 in the dependent parish church of San Nicolás de Bernárdez.

This seems to be what you are looking for.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

A quick look in the internet shows that this temple was founded on 1746, if there are some records of this specific area in that time, they are likely mix with the metropolitan church "sagrario", its a matter of manually checking those, which in turn happen to be the only ones going back to the 1600's in Zacatecas city.

yes i think they are all the same person after finding the record below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15064-17974-0?cc=1804458&wc=…

edit: op, do you have a link to the baptism.

i'm interested in this guy/line also since he's an ancestor of mines

yeah i'm thinking it's quite possible they are the same person. but of course there's the possibility of 2 francisco's who happen to be brothers. for example one of my 4th great grandpas, celedonio, had two sons with the name francisco who made it to adulthood and had children of their own.

on another note: cosme's brother martin is my 4th great grandfather also

I have all 3 Francisco's in my records as separate people but Jose could be Antonio.
My file is on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to find what you are looking for. Cosme Tejada is cousin by marriage and his daughter Mariana also married a family member.
Linda

I also came across a record with exactly the same titles, and also just for some specific records, at first glance I though it was the writer style but like this record as soon as I checked the continuous entries I realized it was for some specific people. I do suspect that this is kind of the equivalent of "Don" and "Doña" from the Spanish days in Mexico, probably used soon after the Independence but something that never got its way trough.

Hello Madera,

No, the King did not visit Sobrerete, because no Spanish Monarch ever visited the Americas prior to their independence in the 19th century. In the 1680s, the King of Spain was Charles II (and last of the Hapsburg monarchs of Spain) But it was his prerogative to give and confirm political/judicial appointments. It was also customary before the French Revolution for European rulers to use their name, speak of themselves in the first person plural, and assert that they ruled by the Grace of God.

The document won't open for me, but usually all such documents if written at Court would start something like this:
"We, Charles, by the Grace of God, King of Castile, Aragon, Count of Barcelona, Emperor of the West Indies, etc. do confirm D. ____ in the office of ____."

In Spanish is would be:
"Nos, Carlos, de la Gracia de Dios, Rey de Castilla, Aragón, Conde de Barcelona, Emperador de la Indias Occidentals, etc. confirmamos a D. _______ en el oficio de ______."

Hope that helps!

Sean

I just started doing research on Gertrudis De Santihiago Dias de Leon (K2MP-MPL) this is Id number for www.familysearch.org. She is the daughter of Joseph de Santhiago and Juliana Dias de Leon (abt 1660). They are from Pinos, but there are many in Guanajuato. Gertrudis marries Juan Francisco Morales (padres no conocidos).

I am interested in which records you were able to find the De Santiagos in Villanueva and Tabasco? I have a Catarina De Santiago daughter of Felipe De Santiago and Maria de la Candelaria Albares in Villanueva in 1803. The films that were available online did not show anything for bautismos though. I managed to find this through an indexed marriage record on family search. Any of those names ring a bell to you?

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Welcome aboard.. nice job on your file and thank you for sharing. My family was from Jerez, Zac and lots of people from Colotlan lived there. I did not find any shared family but do appreciate you sharing your research.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia, Wa.

If this is legit, I would be quite interested. But does Ignacio Narro have permission from the author or the publisher to reprint? I understand that if the books is in public domain, he can reprint it, but I don't think this is the case. I would like to read the feedback from Josie Trevino.

Steve in NC

I was looking at informacion matrimonial page and I see that you put down:

106 Juan Madera & Serefina Gonzalez

When I clicked on the link and went to page 106 to look for it. It says "Juan De Medina and Serefina Gonzalez.

It is on the right side:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18737-9594-2?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Yo estuve viendo micrfilm de tierras/escrituras y tambien de testamentos de los anos de fines de 1600's y uno de esos microfilm se dedicaba a "Juchipila" La Hacienda de Palomas:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22536