Nuestros Ranchos Site

Today I found the parents of my GGG grandparents: Felipe Santa Maria y
Benita Miranda in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

Felipe's parents were: Jose Salome Santa Maria y Maria Francisca Ortiz

Benita's parents were: Gabriel de Miranda y Maria Nicolasa Miranda

Well this last couple brings up a good point: Matrimonio Dispensas

If this couple were possibly related and needed special permission to
get married it is possible for up to 4 generations of their genealogy to
be waiting in a "Matrimonio Dispensa" So since this is in the late
1700's when this couple got married its possible with one record to
maybe get shotputted right back into the 1600's

So if you see any same surname marriages in your genealogy think of a
possible blessing waiting to be revealed to your genealogy.

Kitty. . . Do you have any comments on this?

joseph

ps: its 3 am and i'm off to bed. More on Matrimonio dispensas later. Ask
me about it in the group if you want to see it sooner than later.

Gene's as in Genealogies.

This is a request for more of you to provide your genealogies so we can
make some serious comparisons.

Afterall that is kind of what i was hoping for when I started the group.
for a place where we can share our Genealogies and possible make some
connections. for a place where we can share info on the different things
we've learned. you know share of ourselves in hopes that what goes
around comes around. . .good things have to happen if we research as a
group.

joseph

ps: now some of you might not have some of those fancy programs for
inserting your work (for less than $50 you can get the bare bones
version of Family Tree Maker 10). But never fear just put it down
something like this.

Rodrigo Rodriguez (dob: 1892) married Chavela Vela (dob 1895) they had
the following children:

1)  Hector (dob: 1915)
2) Dulse (dob: 1916)
3) Cariño (dob: 1917)
4)  Suavecito (dob:1918)
5)  Eleuterio (dob: 1919)
6)  Titere (dob: 1920)

Hector above married so

Hi Evie and Everyone,

Just wondering what info you have on Juan Jose Leaños and Maria Amaya?
Do you have a marriage certificate? Do you happen to know if he was
either before or after married to a Maria Antonia Ledesma?

If so then we might be cousins. . .my ggggg Grandparents the parents of
Miguel and Maximo Leaños are Juan Jose Leañps amd Maria Antonia Ledesma?

what do you think? Close enough or no cigar?

joseph

Hello my name is Juanita Hinojosa aka Janie. I recently found this 
site and felt I had check it out.  I am researching the Rosales 
surname. I don't have much information other than my 
greatgrandparents names were Teodoro Rosales and Tomasita Villegas, I 
don't have anything information on them. Their daughter (my 
grandmother) was Porfiria Rosales whom married Rosendo Montes(z)son 
of Desiderio Montes(z) and Francisca ?
Porfiria was born in Zacatecas, anyone reconizing these names please 
email me at Janie9559@.... Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Turner
[mailto:cdian@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:46
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Intro

Hi Roberta, just curious how far back you have gone
on your Gomez line. I have a gggggrandmother Rita Gertudis Gomez married to
Juan Muro probably in the late 1740's.

Carol

Roberta wrote:

 Hi Irma  - My
name is Roberta Romero.  My family is from the Tepatitlan, Jalisco
area(Rancho Presa de
Gomez) - my family is the Martin Del Campo family, but we do
haveFranco, Perez,
Gonzales and Gomez in our line.   Let me know the names of your
peopleand I will check to
see if we have a connection. Roberta
RomeroAlbuquerque,

Hi Roberta, just curious how far back you have gone on your Gomez line.
I have a gggggrandmother Rita Gertudis Gomez married to Juan Muro probably
in the late 1740's.

Carol

Roberta wrote:

 Hi
Irma  - My name is Roberta Romero.  My family is from the Tepatitlan,
Jalisco area(Rancho
Presa de Gomez) - my family is the Martin Del Campo family, but we do haveFranco,
Perez, Gonzales and Gomez in our line.   Let me know the names
of your peopleand
I will check to see if we have a connection. Roberta
RomeroAlbuquerque,
NM

-----Original
Message-----

From: mimasep1959 [mailto:igomezlucero@...]

Sent: Thursday, March 20,
2003 11:58 AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Intro

I thank Maria from Sacto who let me know of this Group.  She and
I

met a little over a year ago.

My name is:  Irma Gomez

I'm doing research on these surnames:

De Hermosillo, De La Losa, Franco, Gallo, Gomez, Gonzales, Gutierrez,

Lopez, Lozano, Munoz, Padilla, Perez, Reynoso, Romero, Romo

 

I'm researching

-----Original Message-----
From: mimasep1959
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:58
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos]
Intro

I thank Maria from Sacto who let me know of this
Group.  She and I
met a little over a year ago.

My name
is:  Irma Gomez

I'm doing research on these surnames:
De
Hermosillo, De La Losa, Franco, Gallo, Gomez, Gonzales, Gutierrez,
Lopez,
Lozano, Munoz, Padilla, Perez, Reynoso, Romero, Romo


I'm
researching mainly ranches in the Jalisco "municipios" of:
Jalostotitlan,
San Juan de los Lagos, Santana or (Santa Ana), & San
Miguel El
Alto

I have ranches that I am mainly

I thank Maria from Sacto who let me know of this Group.  She and I 
met a little over a year ago.

My name is:  Irma Gomez

I'm doing research on these surnames:
De Hermosillo, De La Losa, Franco, Gallo, Gomez, Gonzales, Gutierrez, 
Lopez, Lozano, Munoz, Padilla, Perez, Reynoso, Romero, Romo


I'm researching mainly ranches in the Jalisco "municipios" of:
Jalostotitlan, San Juan de los Lagos, Santana or (Santa Ana), & San 
Miguel El Alto

I have ranches that I am mainly researching, but I will add those in 
a later email.

http://www.expedia.com   click on maps

these maps are not great but they do help even with some pretty small
places.

I plugged in Cuquio and found it.

joseph

Well we're at 22 members and as we get larger the volume of the group
might be a little much for sum. I would like to suggest for everyone
to keep in mind that there is a Digest version of the list to help
keep your inbox clutter to a minimum.

Also if anyone is unable to access the files or the messages its
probably because you haven't registered. Free and fast.

email me at makas@... for help with this.

joseph

ps: when you all are ready (no rush) just jump right in and introduce
yourselves and please do give us the surnames you're researching in
what specific areas of Jalisco and Zacatecas.

thanks

Is anyone doing any research in Teúl, Zacatecas?  I've been asked to 
research José Guadalupe Castro married to Cenobia Rivera in that 
rancho about 1870's.

I would like to see a map of Cuquío, Jalisco if possible.  Thanks.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Today I went to Duke University to make a copy of a map that 
includes 
> Lagos de Moreno on it. Unfortuneately  the library was closed 
because of 
> Spring Break. So I'll have to delay in getting this Map Scan to the 
> Group. . .but since I will be going again in the next couple or 
three 
> weeks are there any others in the group that would like their area 
> scanned for the group? I already have three maps in the "files" 
section, 
> but if you don't see your area just let me know and I'll try to 
cover 
> that area next time I go.
> 
> Joseph

How many of you all are using WorldCat? If you just said, "what the heck
is WorldCat?" then you need to learn about this terrific information source
to do InterLibrary Loans. Call your local library and see if they have access
to WorldCat and if you can access it from home via the Libraries subscription.
I just found this great resource that some of you might want to do an ILL
on if you are having any trouble with the spelling of some hard to read first
names of original documents:

Hispanic first names : a comprehensive dictionary of 250 years of Mexican-American usage / Richard Donovon Woods 1984 English  Book xviii, 224 p. ; 25 cm. Westport, Conn. : Greenwood Press, ISBN: 0313241937 (lib. bdg.)

Ownership:	Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries that Own Item: 347  Connect to the catalog at NCSU Libraries
More Like This:	Search for versions with same title and author | Adva

I just added a URL to the "links" section that goes to nice place to
find Mexican maps. . .not very detailed but nice maps none the less. . .

joseph

Today I went to Duke University to make a copy of a map that includes
Lagos de Moreno on it. Unfortuneately the library was closed because of
Spring Break. So I'll have to delay in getting this Map Scan to the
Group. . .but since I will be going again in the next couple or three
weeks are there any others in the group that would like their area
scanned for the group? I already have three maps in the "files" section,
but if you don't see your area just let me know and I'll try to cover
that area next time I go.

Joseph

Just in case some of you missed this. I'd like to encourage you all to read
the following info found on the website and consider donating your DNA. The
only requirement is that you have compiled at least 4 generations of your
family history. But I think this starts with you as the first generation. 
We might be able to find that we are related genetically even if we can't
prove it genealogically.



http://www.smgf.org



Here is the gist of it:

"Once enough data will be collected, analyzed
and correlated, findings from this research will be made available for genealogical
research. Individuals interested in learning more about their family history
will need to submit an inquiry and a DNA sample in the mail, regardless of
their previous participation in the study (the DNA sample submitted for the
database will NOT be used to answer personal questions). This new sample
will be compared with the data

Sorry about being so basic, but I just learned this and who knows but some
of you might not know about it yet.



There are several very nice Research Manuals available online by the LDS
FamilySearch website. Here is a list of the ones I found but there is probably
more:

Thanks to Carol Turner and Maria Cortez for these two great URL's. . .if
someone gets a chance can you put these into the "Links" section?



http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/drsw/index.html



go to the DRSW Master database and plug in a Surname---do Diaz for example.
This is a great website.



Also check out the webpage for:
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http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm



joseph

http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/drsw/index.html



go to the DRSW Master database and plug in a Surname---do Diaz for example.
This is a great website.



Also check out the webpage for:
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height="43">

face="Verdana">Biblioteca Digital Daniel Cosío Villegas

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http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm



these two URL's were provided by two members of the Ranchos email discussion
group for Jalisco and Zacatecas: Carol Turner and Maria Cortez.



joseph

Just a message of encouragement. what I've been doing is spending my
weekends on the telephone cold calling my different surnames asking if
they might have come from the Santa Maria de Los Angeles/Colotlan,
Jalisco area. Back about 3 months ago I called all the Leaños in El Paso
(8 total) the very first one told me that they came from Jalisco and to
call his relative for more info. I called and it turned out that they
came from the Santa Maria area. It also turned out that of the 6 people
comprising his parents and grandparents that these names were there:
Leaños, Rivas, Castañeda's and Rodarte. The next day I got busy and in a
span of about 5 hours managed to trace the Leaños line back 5
generations. . .but I just could see any connection to our families. I
studied their line a little more that week and sent them what I found. I
didn't hear from them and kind of lost touch with them for a while and
just recently recontacted these family but not the exact person I was

I haven't seen the film, actually I haven't seen anything from Zacatecas
yet. I don't recall seeing this info you sent either. I'll get to it one
day soon I hope. thanks and I'll just continue sitting on the edge of my
seat a little while longer.

joseph

aajay1073 wrote:

Have you seen this:

MARIA CONSSEPCION CASTANEDA
Female
Marriages:
Spouse:  JOSSEPH FRANCISCO DIAS

Marriage: 07 JUN 1767 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas,
Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.

Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:
M607141  1754 - 1769  0443969   Film  NONE

Have you seen this:

MARIA CONSSEPCION CASTANEDA
Female
Marriages:
Spouse:  JOSSEPH FRANCISCO DIAS
Marriage:  07 JUN 1767   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:
M607141  1754 - 1769  0443969   Film  NONE


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Oh this genealogy stuff sure can be exciting and yet so 
frustrating. I'd 
> love to make a tie into some of you all. But yet again it isn't 
> happening. I am intrigued by one of the Castañedas in AJ's 
genealogy.
> 
> Maria de la Consepssion Castañeda Ponse. 24Dec1716
> 
> This Consepssion is to old to be the Concepcion that I'm looking 
for but 
> here is a record that I'm wondering if you all might have had a 
look at 
> in your studies. I'm bound and

Oh this genealogy stuff sure can be exciting and yet so frustrating. I'd
love to make a tie into some of you all. But yet again it isn't
happening. I am intrigued by one of the Castañedas in AJ's genealogy.

Maria de la Consepssion Castañeda Ponse. 24Dec1716

This Consepssion is to old to be the Concepcion that I'm looking for but
here is a record that I'm wondering if you all might have had a look at
in your studies. I'm bound and determined to order that film and have a
look in a few months but I have previous comittments that prevents this
for now. Anyway here is the record and if anyone knows anything about it
let me know:

JOSSEPH VISSENTE DIAS CASTANEDA

Male
Event(s):

Birth:
Christening:
25 OCT 1770   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
 Father:  JOSSEPH FRANCISCO DIAS Family

Mother: MARIA CONSSEPCION CASTANEDA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are

Maria,

The familes in Tepechitlan are Correas, Miramontes, Munos, Ulloa, and 
Valdez.  I do have one Castaneda born/registered in Tepechitlan but 
the majority of them are in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman and 
Atolinga, which isn't that far from Tepechitlan since the families I 
listed above are also from Tlaltenango.  My Luna family is mainly 
from Tlaltenango and Momax.

I will post a file for my Castaneda family and Miramontes family.

Here are the Tepechitlan batches that I searched through:
C600811	1736-1782	0444025
C600815	1847-1858	0444029
C600817	1867-1875	0444031
C606165	1783-1802	0444026

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  
wrote:
> Hi Angie,
> I was wondering about your ancestors from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas.  
> One of my lines, Castaneda and Luna, are from Tepechitlan Zacatecas 
> are those the surnames you are researching in that area?
> Maria Cortez
> 

Hi Angie,
I was wondering about your ancestors from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas.  
One of my lines, Castaneda and Luna, are from Tepechitlan Zacatecas 
are those the surnames you are researching in that area?
Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Hello, I am new this group.  Thanks for letting me join.  I noticed 
> that everyone was giving intros, so I thought I would add mine to 
the 
> list....  I recognize some of the different people in this group 
> through other message boards or email... So this may be a repeat 
for 
> some of you...
> 
> My name is Angie Godina.  I have been working on my family tree 
since 
> 1998. But I didn't start using the LDS website and films until 2001 
> so that is when I really started working on researching my 
> genealogy/ancestors.  I have been able to find most of my paternal 
> and maternal lines up to the early 1700's.  They have generally 
> stayed in the same areas these last 300 years.  I am mainly 
>