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Guillermo,

Take a look at one of these charts to see what "cousin once removed 
means"?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
http://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
http://stellar-one.com/genealogy/cousins.htm

The charts all basically show the same thing...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Guillermo Valdez  wrote:
> Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
> know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
> your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
> represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
> no limit as far as I know. 
> 
> Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
> a "cousin once removed means"?
> 
> Guillermo.
>

        In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío.  I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct.  However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.

        Is there a publication that has it all laid out?  If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.

        In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin -- 
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's.  If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the
same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached.  (I
know -- that was

I just submitted my privatized .gedcom to the www.familysearch.org
site as a Pedigree Resource File submission. Has anyone on the list
done this before? So how does this work? Does every single name in the
.gedcom get put in so that the search engine will pull it up by surname?

just as an example here is some of their listings:

6. Angela Castreje Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina
7. Ana Jova Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 17 Sep 1923 Bustinza, Pcia.Santa Fe,
Argentina
8. Antonia DÍAZ - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina

how is it that the brief info following the name comes into the search
engine results? Is it that the search engine picks out the exact
wording in the .gedcom including the place of birth and puts it into
the
results? . . .as in the above example?

thanks,

joseph

Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
no limit as far as I know. 

Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
a "cousin once removed means"?

Guillermo.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Well now we might be opening up a can of worms. I've
> lived all my life 
> following what you just said. If a cousin of mine
> had a kid his kids 
> would call me Tio. BUT since starting genealogy I've
> heard that this is 
> technically not correct and that the rules in Mexico
> didn't allow for 
> this. So how can we find out what the "official"
> Mexico rules are for 
> relationships?
> 
> Just as a side note I have an 82 year old 2nd cousin
> once removed (he 
> and my dad would have been 2nd cousins) who is a
> Priest in Jerez, 
> Zacatecas. I would like to know the rules but
> regardless of the rules

The term "politico(a)" in spanish is equivalent to the
term "in-law" in english.

Guillermo.
--- docrjr@... wrote:

> In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children
> refer to the adults as  
> "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their
> respective spouse is referred 
>  to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The
> "politica" makes reference to 
> the  fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage,
> not  blood.
> 



		
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http://www.dropby.com/indexLF.html?content=/Genealogia/

thanks much to Steven Hernandez for explaining and supplying the link to the above page. I noticed on my end
that there seemed to be a problem so you might need to use the above link and click on Parentesco to access
the material. I'm putting a link to this page in the links page.

thanks Steven,

joseph

Is anyone aware of Genealogy and/or Social Societies in Mexico? In
particular for the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and
Chihuahua?

I was working yesterday as a volunteer at my local Family History Center
when a kindred spirit came in to work his genealogy. He was telling me
how he contacts different social organizations in his mother country and
they are very helpful in suggesting local sources of information.

Now I don't know about you but I couldn't believe how such a simple idea
has somehow slipped by me. So now I'm hot on the trail of contacting
whatever genealogical or social organizations I can find in the larger
towns I'm searching for relatives/information.

So does anyone know of organization in Mexico that might be equivilent
to some of the church or social organizations here? Maybe the Knights of
Columbus or ???

thanks,

Joseph

ps: for starts I would just like to have a current phone book for those
towns. If I had a phone book then I could

In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The "politica" makes reference to the fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage, not blood.

In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío. I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct. However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.

Is there a publication that has it all laid out? If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.

In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin --
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's. If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached. (I
know -- that was a horrible explantion.)

Common Ancestor
Siblings
1st cousins
2nd cousins
3rd cousins
________________________
3rd cousin once removed (one generation removed)
3C 2R
3C3R, etc

sorry, but even those with a subscription cannot get more than just the
reference you saw. It comes from PERSI which is also available on
ancestry and at your local FHC. I guess if there is an article of
interest you can google it and find the source and see about ordering
back copies of the journal/paper.

joseph

ps: an inexpensive way to get Heritage Quest is through the Godfrey
libary: $35 per year. . .good deal! www.godfrey.org

Alicia DeNood Thornton wrote:

Joseph,

A number of the Heritage Quest links you listed in a recent posting
look promising, but I am not a qualified person and cannot sign on.

Is there any way that an independent researcher can have access?

I just submitted my privatized .gedcom to the www.familysearch.org
site as a Pedigree Resource File submission. Has anyone on the list
done this before? So how does this work? Does every single name in the
.gedcom get put in so that the search engine will pull it up by surname? 

just as an example here is some of their listings:

6. Angela Castreje Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina
7. Ana Jova Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 17 Sep 1923 Bustinza, Pcia.Santa Fe,
Argentina
8. Antonia DÍAZ - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina

how is it that the brief info following the name comes into the search
engine results? Is it that the search engine picks out the exact
wording in the .gedcom including the place of birth and puts it into
the results? . . .as in the above example?

thanks,

joseph

Are any of you from Nochistlan related to this guy?

joseph

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Today's Topics:
  #1 Re: Don Lucas                        [lorenzo.cuesta@...]

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GaC.2ACE/290.292.300.1

Message Board Post:

Hola,

Tengo un pariente de Nochistlan que habra nacido antes de 1770.  Esto
solo lo puedo calcular.  Isidro Cajero y Ursula Don Lucas tuvieron un
hijo, Eugenio Cajero, que se caso en 25 de septiembre de 1799.  (Si
Eugenio de caso a la edad de 15, y Ursula tambien, entonces Ursula nacio
antes de 1770.)
Me intriga
tu comentario que el nombre Don Lucas no habra existido en
Nochistlan antes de 1750.  Tienes algun documento que indique el origen
o la migracion del nombre Don Lucas?  Por favor comparte la informacion
que te

Yes, I am researching Gaeta from Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.

Do you have a particular name?  My Gaeta list is very long...many 
names...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Are there any Gaeta's from Colotlan in the group? if so contact me, 
thanks,
> 
> joseph