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this is open for discussion:

The idea was brought up about suggesting that specific discussion about
particular details of genealogy ties be taken to private email after
the inital flow of communication since it would not be revelent to most
members of the group. Hmmm . . .

Well first off it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion
"provoked" by Carol Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been
"forgotten" for possibly awhile if that thread had been quickly taken
to private email. I really don't like putting a rule on this kind of
thing. As long as its on topic I say let it all be said. Maybe we can
just kind of internally consider when discussion about a particular
connection between members has been sufficiently
"advertised" so that all have had a fair chance at getting the message.
On a volunteer basis we can then just let these threads fade into
private email that is until some part of it needs to be brought back to
the group like an addition to the genealogy

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Is this name Unusual?

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FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
  	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
===================================================
===================================================
FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
      Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
      Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
    C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
=============================

Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?



I found this blip about Neri it sounds Italian:

http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/escutcheon/0011/0011.html

3) Catalana Di Neri. New Name.

(Würm Wald)

The client attaches a letter from Saint Gabriel (#1737) but provides nosummary (again, my apologies for any error in summarizing the contents).The name (spelled Catalana di Neri) is described as "typical" of late15th century Italy. Catalana is documented

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Totatiche/San Cristobal De La Barranca: Lookups Request

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if anyone has the time next time you're looking I'd appreciate a
lookup, thanks,

joseph

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Dolores ENRIQUEZ		Age At Marriage: 42
	Sex:


Event(s):
	Birth: 1820>	Place: Rancho de Animas


Parents:
	Father: Juan ENRIQUEZ
	Mother: Trinidad DEL MURO


Marriage:
	Spouse: Petra FLORES	Age At Marriage: 30
	Marriage: 23 Jun 1862	Place: Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico


Notes:
	Husband previously married

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"Dos Reales Cedules"

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Well that is DEFINITELY much better. I had
originally thought the item was a seal, like the kind imprinted on wax.:)
Marge:)

----- Original Message -----

From:
Joseph Puentes

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:41
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] "Dos Reales
Cedules"

well since there seems to be a little interest and since all I need is not even a crack in the door to jump in with both feet. here are some better pictures: Carol Turner wrote: >Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin >is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use >to tell him that but he also looked it up in the >Spanish dictionery to be sure. > >Carol > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

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"Dos Reales Cedules"

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well since there seems to be a little interest and since all I need isnot even a crack in the door to jump in with both feet. here are somebetter pictures:




Carol Turner wrote:

Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the

Spanish dictionery to be sure.

Carol



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"Dos Reales Cedules"

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Hi, Carol! Just wanted to tell you that my
aunt Carmen says we have a relative surnamed Muro! Marge:)

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Carol Turner

To: href="mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com">ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:47
PM

Subject: [ranchos] "Dos Reales
Cedules"

Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use to tell him that but he also looked it up in the Spanish dictionery to be sure. Carol

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Mota and Campos

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Kitty:

I am going to try and copy another file, the Alvarez file to my files on the group site. So the Alvares(z) side will be posted and available for the group.....Just in case, by some MIRACLE I find a "Alvares " (z) connection! None of the Alvares names you listed are in my records for my Alvares family.

I"m sorry, I must have got confused about your Mota line. I would really appreciate the look-ups! So nice of you to offer! These are the names and documents I need:

Sara Campos Mota

b:09 APR 1896 Las Velas Zac. Mx

Parents: Lorenzo De Campos and Victoriana Mota

I also need her siblings names and birthdates.

So, we are related through Juan Manuel de Campos wife', Maria Antonia Luna (my 5th generation grandmother)? Ynes Gertrudis Luna was Antonia's sister. How is she related to you and Rich?

Carol

-----Original Message-----
From: Kitty Cortez
Sent: Mar 12, 2005 12:46 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Mota and Campos

Carol

Our Victoria Mota is

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"Dos Reales Cedules"

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This is correct. In Powell's book about Miguel Caldera he has a footnote:"... This peso de oro común was the basic accounting unit of the royaltreasury in Mexico, and its value was 272 maravedis, divided into eightreales or tomines of 34 maravedis each (hence, later, the "piece of eight"and our "bit", one eighth of a dollar). " Thus it is 2 bits or a quarter ofa peso.

George

----- Original Message -----From: "Carol Turner"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [ranchos] "Dos Reales Cedules"


Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the
Spanish dictionery to be sure.

Carol



Yahoo! Groups Links

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"Dos Reales Cedules"

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Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the
Spanish dictionery to be sure. 

Carol

Anyone else on the East Coast?

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I live in Florida.

That's a little closer to you Joseph.

Dora


--- Maria/Mark Uhlenburg 
wrote:

> I'm from Folsom, California, which is in the county
> of Sacramento.
> 
> Maria-Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: glo Sandoval-Fuentes 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:14 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ranchos] Anyone else on the East
> Coast?
> 
> 
>   Southern California over here.
> 
> 
> 
>                  ~~glo~~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Joseph Puentes 
>   Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Anyone else on the East Coast?
>   Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:10:28 -0500
> 
>   other than California I know that we have a member
> in VA, I'm in NC, you in 
>   OH, and TX oh and UT and MA
> 
>   anyone else on the East Coast?
> 
>   joseph
> 
> 
>   Carol Lester wrote:
> 
>   >It is so exciting isn't it?!!  As for a reunion,
> that would be

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Anyone else on the East Coast?

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I'm from Folsom, California, which is in the county
of Sacramento.

Maria-Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez

----- Original Message -----

From:
glo
Sandoval-Fuentes

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:14
PM

Subject: RE: [ranchos] Anyone else on the
East Coast?

Southern California over here. ~~glo~~ From: Joseph Puentes makas@...> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ranchos] Anyone else on the East Coast? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:10:28 -0500 other than California I know that we have a member in VA, I'm in NC, you in OH, and TX oh and UT and MA anyone else on the East Coast? joseph Carol Lester wrote: >It is so exciting isn't it?!! As for a reunion, that would be grand!!! I >live in Ohio, however..and I am assuming a lot of the ranchos group live in >California, and the surrounding states? > Carol > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Puentes >Sent: Mar 9

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Group Maintenance

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I've noticed that many of the members have their memberships under
either Yahoo (25) or Hotmail (3) addresses. Is this what you all want?
It is very simple to have your Rancho mail go to your main address. .
.that way you'll be on the red hot cutting edge of all the picoso
messages being sent out these days.

If you want to change addresses here is how you do it:

go to the top of the page and look for "Edit my Membership"

Yahoo! My Yahoo! Mail
	Welcome, makas_nc [Sign Out, My Account]
		Groups Home - Help

makas_nc · makas@...

Start a
Group
- My Groups

ranchos
· de Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes

Group Owner [ Edit My Membership

click on it

then under email address add the preferred email address where you'd
like your Rancho mail to be received:

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Mota and Campos

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Carol

Our
Victoria Mota is 'Manuela Victoria MOTA Serrano b. 8 Mar 1854 doc. She is
the sister to Rich's GGgrandmother.

We do
not have any records for Lorenzo Campos or his parents. Lorenzo's
grandfather is Juan Manuel CAMPOS Soto married to Maria Antonia LUNA a sibling
of Rich's ancestors. If you have birth/marriage dates for your Sara
CAMPOS Mota or Lorenzo CAMPOS we will be happy to look for you while in
SLC.

You
asked about our ALVARES line

The
correct Alvarez line we have starts with Maria Luisa
de San Carlos ALVARES married to Juan Jose Zenon SERRANO dau of Juan Jose
ALVARES Casillas and Ma. Josefa De la Luz FLORES Ennriques. Her
grandparents are Antonio de Paudua ALVARES and Ma. Manuela Eugenia
CASILLAS and Nicolas FLORES and Antonia ENNRIQUES.

The
incorrect Alvares line that we followed for two years is:

Maria Luisa ALBARES also married to another Juan Jose SERRANO
Robles, dau of Santiago ALBARES and Maria Petronila MIRAMONTES. This
ones

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Castañeda, de la Torre, Luna, and Ulloa from Tlaltenango

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Hello Cousin Maria!

Well now, I sure do want the info you have on our relatives!  Isn't this fun?!!  I am thinking there are now THREE of you who I connect with///You/Maria; Angie/ and Kitty and Rich!  How are you related to Antonio Campos and Maria Eufracia Castaneda?  They would be my fifth generation grandparents..a direct line!

Regards
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 
Sent: Mar 11, 2005 8:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Castañeda, de la Torre, Luna, and Ulloa from Tlaltenango



Angie,

You are so right.  In fact, I had Maria Eufrasia's birth and 
marriage details in my database.

Carol, add me to your growing list of cousins.  I have more info on 
the Castañedas I could share with you.

Unfortunately Angie, I couldn't connect any of the names on your 
list with the ones in my database.  I would think they are related 
somehow because the names, places and time periods match up, but I 
don't see the connection

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Campos Families - Luna

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Hello Kitty:

Well, I did some researching for the "Mota" line and it is absolutely the same as what you have; Benito Mota/Jose Benito Mota Ramirez, born 23 Mar 1832, Santo Thomas De Momax, Zac. Mx., to Istanislao Mota and Ramona Ramirez (IGI Familysearch/Batch#: C600843/1829-1850. Marriage to Maria De La Paz De Los Reyes, 23 Dec. 1857, Santo Thomas De Momax, Zac. Mx.(IGI Familysearch/Batch #: C600844/1850-1875. The child I am interested in is "Maria Victoriana Mota Reyes", born 23 Dec 1857, Santo Thomas De Momax, Zac. Mx. (IGI Familysearch/Batch #: C600844/1850-1875.

This is my Victoriana Mota who married Lorenzo De Campos (Son of Jose Manuel De Campos//Antonioe De Campos/Juan Manuel De Campos Soto.). One of their children was Sara Campos Mota, my grandmother. What I would like to know is do you have birth record for Lorenzo's children? If so, I would very much like to have copies of them. Also, I am curious about the Alvarez that is in your line?

Regards,

Carol Lester

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Ygnacio Correa and Maria Juliana Torres

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Peggy,

Here is some information, I am not sure if you already have it.

YGNACIO CORREA
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA JULIANA TORRES
  Marriage:  14 OCT 1811   Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M600819  1807 - 1848  0445048   

Children:
JOSE APOLINARIO CORREAS TORRES
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JUL 1812 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

PABLO YGNACIO CORREAS TORRE
Gender: Male Christening: 16 JAN 1814 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSE BUENAVENTURA DE JESUS CORREA TORRE
Gender: Male Christening: 19 JUL 1815 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

MA. DE LA TRINIDAD CORREA TORRES
Gender: Female Christening: 22 JAN 1817 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, 
Mexico 

JOSE EUGENIO CORREA TORRE
Gender: Male Christening: 16 NOV 1819 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

MARIA YGNACIA CORREA TORRES
Gender

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Parish & Vital Records Disc

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For those of you, who have asked me for a copy of the Parish & Vital
Records list,  I will be sending, your copies out tomorrow.  

If anyone else, wants a copy, let me know offline at:
jonathan@...

Thanks,
Jonathan

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Castañeda, de la Torre, Luna, and Ulloa from Tlaltenango

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Angie,

You are so right.  In fact, I had Maria Eufrasia's birth and 
marriage details in my database.

Carol, add me to your growing list of cousins.  I have more info on 
the Castañedas I could share with you.

Unfortunately Angie, I couldn't connect any of the names on your 
list with the ones in my database.  I would think they are related 
somehow because the names, places and time periods match up, but I 
don't see the connection right now. Maybe in time we'll connect them.

For now...thanks for pointing out my connection to Carol's 
Castañedas.  I had looked at her folder, but somehow missed it.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> 
> It seems you and Carol share the same Castaneda, since she 
descends 
> from Maria Eufrasia CASTANEDA TORRE daughter of Manuel Castañeda 
and 
> Maria Antonia de la Torre, married to Anttonio Casimirio CAMPOS 
LUNA 
> son of Juan Manuel CAMPOS SOTO and Maria Anttonia DE LUNA.
> 
> Here is my

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CinecioMarquez/AntoniaValenzuela

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Thanks!!!

-----Original
Message-----

From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:36
PM

To: LosRanchos

Subject: [ranchos]
CinecioMarquez/AntoniaValenzuela

These should give you the next generation back:

JOSE HERMENEGILDO MARQUEZ VALENZUELA
	Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

17 APR 1823

San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:


Parents:
	Father:	JOSE CINECIO MARQUEZ	Family
	Mother:	MARIA ANTONIA VALENZUELA

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CinecioMarquez/AntoniaValenzuela

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These should give you the next generation back:

JOSE HERMENEGILDO MARQUEZ VALENZUELA
	Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

17
APR 1823

San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:


Parents:
	Father:	JOSE CINECIO MARQUEZ	Family
	Mother:	MARIA ANTONIA VALENZUELA


Messages:
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