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From: glo Sandoval-Fuentes
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004
11:40 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos]
Joseph?

   Joseph,

Is there
anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
heading to
sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
condition
with a head injury.

He is my last living brother and I understand the
DNA has to come from the
males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and
be told a way to preserve it
until I can get it analyzed or what ever you
call it?

Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and
away from my
computer.

thank you
gloria

so sorry to hear about your brother. I don't know of ways to preserve
the DNA without one of the collection kits sent out with the test. I
might be wrong about this but I think there are more expensive tests
that can be done with hair. Another thing to consider is does your
brother have any male children because you can pick up your dad's side
via his male children and you can get your mom's mom's mom's etc side
via your own MtDNA.

again sorry to hear about your brother.

joseph

glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

  Joseph,

Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
condition with a head injury.

He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
com

  Joseph,

Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
condition with a head injury.

He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
computer.

thank you
gloria

  Joseph,

Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
condition with a head injury.

He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
computer.

thank you
gloria

Joseph,

These are the Native-American haplogroups for Mt-DNA:
A, B, C, D,

These are the European haplogroups for Mt-DNA: H, J,
U, V, T, X, I

Which one did you come out, I came out X.


Saludos,
Angel Cervantes
Cervantes DNA Surname Project
Project Administrator



		
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Sylvia,

welcome to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about the deadline. If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email me directly (makas@...) let me know you are not ready and how much more time you'll need and you will be "spared" the savageness of my axe swing. I

Sylvia,
If you need, in posting your information, or in organizing.  Just let
the group know.  Because, I am sure that there are many of us who can
help you out. 

If you ancestors are from  the Pinos, Zacatecas area.  I would
suggest, getting in touch with Rosario Ellis (she is a member of the
group).  I know that she has been doing research in the Pinos area.

Thanks,
Jonathan

I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM 
Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting 
one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained 
ankle.  This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended 
from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I 
have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books 
from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas 
side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family 
owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets 
throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas.  The Los Altos, side 
which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather. 

Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 /

Juan López
1979
Spanish  Book 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm.
Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.],
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Title: 	Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 /
Author(s): 	López, Juan.
Publication: 	Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.],
Year: 	1979
Description: 	108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm.
Language: 	Spanish
	SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: 	Governors -- Mexico -- Jalisco -- Biography.
Colonial administrators -- Mexico -- Biography.
Note(s): 	"Esta edición ... consta de 100 ejemplares."--p. 5.
Class Descriptors: 	LC: F1296
Responsibility: 	[Juan López].
Material Type: 	Biography (bio)
Document Type: 	Book
Entry: 	19870306
Update: 	19991208
Accession No: 	OCLC: 15278517
Database: 	WorldCat

My trip to Los Altos in 1993 was very much like yours (Mexico Jalisco, Los
Altos-Tepetitlan, Pegueros) in that I found most of the people from that
region very fair.   My wife's family is from Pegueros/Tapitatlan, Jalisco.
And of course, I stood out since I'm a moreno just like my late grandmother
from Zacatecas, Zacatecas.  The people from Tepatitlan and Pegueros were
very cordial, nice, and accommodating, to me and my wife, and my children.

Her uncle claimed their fairness can be attributed to the French influence
left by the French back in the  1860s.  But I corrected him on this.  Most
of the French troops in Mexico were not French but Germans (Hessians) that
were hire by Napoleon to fight the Mexicans. I found no German or French
names in either of the two towns.

If any of group has information on any my wife's family names, Gutierrez,
Padilla, Gonzalez, Casillas, from Los Altos, will you please share it.

Thank you.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.



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Thanks Steven for this light you bring about Los
Altos. My first visit to Los Altos was to Atotonilco
in 1980 and I was surprised of many relatives on my
Mom's side with blue and green eyes and blonde hair.
Mostly the Abarcas. I was clear to me that the surname
was spanish, but I was misled as this was mostly of
French inheritance and I believed that for a long
time.

Recente research and conversations with some Abarcas
and Valles living here in Los Angeles made me realize
that the region was mostly inhabited by spanish
people, and some indios and mestizos, of course. But
nothing about French presence during Maximiliano's
empire in Mexico in the 1860's.

I recently had a conversation with my uncle Eliseo
Valle (he is 95 years old) and lives in Whittier. He
told me, and correct me if this is incorrect, that
some Hacienda owners in Jalisco were attacked by the
French and they moved to the Highlands running away
from them and established in the region at that time
(1860's).

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