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Emilie Garcia wrote:

OK, then, Joseph,

 

How do you write and pronounce all those subsequent generations:   primera, secunda, tercera,  (I don't know how to say the rest).  Also, why is pentabuelo listed as antepasado de 6th generation when "pent" means "five" to me.  It looks like the pentabuelo should go with "5th". 

well if you look at it in the Spanish the father is the first generation, the grandfather is the 1st grandfather but the 2nd generation, the g-Grandfather is the 2nd grandfather (Bis) but the 3rd generation, the GG grandfather is the 3rd grandfather (Tatara) but the 4th generation, etc.

I would like more feedback from the group is

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> Who is studying this surname in the group?
> 
> joseph

    JOSEPH.

   ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS ADDRESS IS

    jpag0573@... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.

                          so long

                        LETICIA LEON MORALES 

I find this really interesting since my direct ancestor Francisco 
Mendez was also from Zamora Michoacan, He says in the marriage 
record (1795 in Tamazula) that he's been gone from Zamora for 6 
years, he married a Sanches de la Mejorada that say they are from 
Tuxpan.  His second wife, my ancestor was a De la Cueva!
thank you for taking the time to post. Looks like I'm going to have 
to order films from Zamora now... the searching never ends..
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Even though I am not an Alvarez del Castillo, it is a surname that 
> marries into my family and is present in Arandas and Ayo el 
Chico.  I 
> and a few others have traced the surname to Zamora, Michoacan.  
That 
> was their original "nest." The Gutierrez de Robles, Morfin, and 
Cueva 
> surnames were also from there.  My cousin Tony Campos was also 
from 
> there.  He has been researching the Zamora, Jacona, Tlazazalca, 
and 
> Tangancicuaro, Michoacan, area for the past

Even though I am not an Alvarez del Castillo, it is a surname that
marries into my family and is present in Arandas and Ayo el Chico. I
and a few others have traced the surname to Zamora, Michoacan. That
was their original "nest." The Gutierrez de Robles, Morfin, and Cueva
surnames were also from there. My cousin Tony Campos was also from
there. He has been researching the Zamora, Jacona, Tlazazalca, and
Tangancicuaro, Michoacan, area for the past 35 years.

Regards,
Steven Hernandez

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long 
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:33:07 -0000
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alvarez del Castillo

 Hello Joseph, I'm not studying it but have found 4 female Alvarez del
Castillo in Tamazula Jalisco.  They are from app. the 1730's to 1760
time period and 2 marry into the Gutierres de Robles, 1 into the
Morfin and 1 into the  de la Cueva families.  I have decendants but
not thier parents.
Linda in Wa.

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I AM!!!
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: makas@...
Sent: Sep 5, 2005 7:13 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] Alvarez del Castillo


Who is studying this surname in the group?

joseph





 
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Hello Joseph, I'm not studying it but have found 4 female Alvarez del 
Castillo in Tamazula Jalisco.  They are from app. the 1730's to 1760 
time period and 2 marry into the Gutierres de Robles, 1 into the 
Morfin and 1 into the  de la Cueva families.  I have decendants but 
not thier parents.
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> Who is studying this surname in the group?
> 
> joseph

Thank you for your reply, my real curiosity was about the Sanches de 
la Mejorada line that was the first wife of my Ancestor Jose 
Francisco Mendez who married her in 1795 in Zapotlan El Grand/Ciudad 
Gusman.  In that town all the people I asked about including Espanol 
Gonzales and Leal's are living and marrying into the same lines as 
my direct ancestor did. They say they are from Leon and also many 
people coming directly from Spain in this time period.. I didn't 
mean to do their genealogy but you know how it is.. we start with 
one family and end up doing the city or rancho! These same people 
also live in Tuxpan, Atoyac, and Tamazula de Gordiano, they seem to 
come around Lake Chapala.  I got to go there a couple of years ago 
and the area is still in sugar cane and making tequila is a 
maintstay. If you'd like any of the records let me know, always glad 
to share my findings..
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Sorry that this reply is so so

Who is studying this surname in the group?

joseph

Sorry that this reply is so so late, but I hardly check my aol mail box
anymore. I was rather interested to see that you discovered records
from Zapotlan el Grande that connected your Loza y Linares lineage to
the Villa de Leon. Well that is without a doubt Leon, Guanajuato. The
Loza y Linares family and Lopez de Lara are both definitely from there.
DEFINITELY.

My close friend, cousin, genealogist, and writer, don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal, has researched the Loza y Linares lineages since they migrated to
Mexico from Spain. He himself is a Loza y Linares and currently lives
in Leon, Guanajuato. He has access to all kinds of records from Leon's
historical archives, both public and private. Some of the Loza y
Linares and Lopez de Lara's descendants eventually moved to
Jalostotitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Ayo el Chico, Arandas, San Miguel el
Alto, and San Juan de los Lagos.

It seems that they also migrated to Zapotlan el Grande. Where is that
anyway?

Regards,
Steven

Just a word on DNA tests for females...of course they can be done.
Females have DNA just like males. But remember from your chapter on
Genetics in your Biology class, females have XX chromosomes and males
have XY chromosomes. Male haploid reproductive cells (sperm cells) are
either X or Y chromosome cells. Female haploid (or ova) are ALL
X-chromosome cells. When an X sperm cell fertilizes a X ovum, a baby
girl is conceived. When a Y sperm cell fertilizes an X ovum, a baby
boy is conceived. That is why males determine the sex of the newborn
child.

As Joseph, and anyone else who has investigated their genetic
genealogy, can attest to, paternal origin can only be checked via the
Y-DNA only. Consequently, only males can have their Y-DNA traced,
because only males have the Y-chromosome (which is where the Y-DNA is
located). Unfortunately, females are XX and have no Y-DNA, so females
have to ask a close male relative (father, brother, or paternal-cousin)
if they want

Hi Joseph,

I'm so happy for you. This is truly a wonderful break. You indeed
have the right forensic attitude for genealogy. Establish what you
know and what you don't know, and formulate parameters for your future
research. I wish you the best of luck.

My mother is a Lopez, whose ancestry was from San Miguel el Alto and
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It is very very unlikely that our two
Lopezes were related, as the surname is sooooo common, but wouldn't it
be cool if they were?

Tell us all when you make some more progress.

Steven H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
To: LosRanchos 
Sent: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:58 -0500
Subject: [ranchos] Huejucar!!!

I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy
Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was
brother to my Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that
his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he

Joseph,

Among the people I know, it is common to hear about "Abuelos",
"Bisabuelos" and "Tatarabuelos".  Beyond that, I've never heard those
greek prefixes like tetra, penta, hexa, etc. attached to the word
"abuelo" but rather the ordinal numbers cuarto, quinto, sexto, etc. or
its numerical equivalent 4to., 5to., 6to., etc.

However, there's some confusion on the numbering system depending on
if you're counting the "abuelos" or the "bisabuelos".  For example, my
genealogy software (In English) uses the following nomenclature, which
I have paired with its Spanish equivalent:

Grandparent = Abuelo
Great Grandparent = Bisabuelo or 2do. Abuelo
2nd. Great Grandparent = Tatarabuelo or 3er. Abuelo or 2do. Bisabuelo
3rd. Great Grandparent = 4to. Abuelo or 3er. Bisabuelo
And so on.

The convention in Spanish is to count the "abuelos", but if you're
doing a translation of, let's say, 3rd. Great Grandparent you have to
be careful and translate it either as 3er. Bisabuelo or 4to. Abuelo.

 I hope

Does anyone know if the Huejucar films in the later years (say in the
1880's) are indexed? I know that in the neighboring area of Santa Maria
de los Angeles that after the 1830's (approx.) or so that the priests
started indexing their records.

thanks,

joseph

I will talk to my dad again about this.  Don't they do
DNA tests yet on females?

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Thanks Prima,
> 
> I haven't heard from you lately. Just thinking about
> you as I was 
> organizing some of our Muro Records. I'm trying to
> get my mess into some 
> kind of a reasonable pile. Thanks again. I'm trying
> to find a Muro from 
> my line of Muro's to consider DNA testing. Any
> Muro's on your side that 
> might be good candidates?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps:  Not sure of the time frame but there are films
> for that area of 
> Huejucar back to 1765:
> 
> Title
> Registros parroquiales, 1765-1973
> 
> Authors
> Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Huejúcar,
> Jalisco) (Main Author)
> 
> Notes
> Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la
> parroquia.
> Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
> Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations,
> marriages and marriage 
> petitions, and deaths from Huejúcar, Jalisco,
> Mexico.
> 
> Subjects
> Mexico, Jalisco

Jospeh that is wonderful news.  The only family
connection from that area would be my
great-grandmother Francisca Carrillo who was from that
area; she married Casmiro Muro.   However I found her
baptism and marriage record in Santa Maria and
Colotlan.  Francisca was born in the early 1840's;
it's possible Huejucar didn't have a church until
after that time-frame?  I wish you good-luck, at this
time I don't have any films from Huejucar.  

Carol Turner

--- Santos Luna  wrote:

> I share your joy.....now go... and take on those
> films!!!
> Cheers/Helyn
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with
> my 2nd cousin Roy Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems
> that his grandfather, Nicolas was brother to my
> Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is
> that his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same
> place he says that my grandmother is from. That
> being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of
> this line

I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was brother to my Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he says that my grandmother is from. That being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of this line of elusive relatives on my maternal Grandmother's side. . .her name is Antonia Lopez.

I just ordered two films from Huejucar. . .are there any Lopez in the group from Huejucar by chance?

joseph

ps: previous to this discovery I had doubts as to the true name of my maternal Grandmother as she went by several aliases. But I've heard it from 3 separate independant sources and thats good enough for me. If I can find a Lopez family in Huejucar that had two children named Nicolas and Antoniia I think I'll be on
the right trail. I can't

 DEAR MAKAS:

  IS THERE A SYSTEM OTHER THEN USING THE "GREAT" WORD TO NUMBER 

 SITUATION IN THE LINE? WOULD IT BE CORRECT, INSTEAD, TO NUMBER AS

  FALLOWS: SON, FATHER-MOTHER, GRANDPARENTS, GREAT-GRANDPARENTS, AND

 THEN MENTION THEM AS THIRD-GRANDPARENTS, FOURTH-GRANDPARENTS AND

 SO FORTH? I THINK THAT WAY IT'S EASIER TO VIEW THEIR PLACES IN THE

 GENS LINE.

                                  LETICIA LEON MORALES
                                  AKA LILI PINZON

There is an edition published in Mexico as well with a different 
ISBN.  I have perused through the book at the Library of Congress.  
It is very well indexed, and has a good deal of informtion though it 
is a bit cryptographic as all of the information is provided in 
abbreviations so as to save page space... There is then a translation 
table at the front to make sense of all the codes.

LC Control Number: 86197796  
Type of Material: Text (Book, Microform, Electronic, etc.) 
Personal Name: Boyd-Bowman, Peter. 
Main Title: Indice geobiográfico de más de 56 mil pobladores de la 
América Hispánica / Peter Boyd-Bowman. 
Edition Information: 1a ed. completa. 
Published/Created: México : Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, 
UNAM : Fondo de Cultura Económica, 1985- 
Description: v. 1 > : ill. ; 24 cm. 
ISBN: 9681613368 (set) 
Notes: Includes indexes.
Bibliography: v. 1, p. xliii-lviii. 
Subjects: Spaniards--Latin America--Registers.
Immigrants--Spain--Registers.
Immigrants--Latin