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Estimado Celestino,

Te agradezco por compartir estos datos, ya que también desciendo de los Villalobos. Sólo tengo una pregunta dónde tuvistes éxito en localizar estos datos, es increíble. Ni supe que los Villalobos llegaron de Mayorga. El matrimonio de Cristóbal de Villalobos y María Pérez de Nava menciona que era natural de los Reynos de Castilla. Sin embargo me interesa los datos. Tienes copias de las partidas de los bautismos mencionados? Quisiera tener copias en mi archivo familiar. Una duda que tengo es que tengo a Bernardina como Sánchez, y tú como Sanclares o Landares quizás lo leí mal. Ojalá puedes ayudarme.

Un saludo,
Daniel Méndez-Camino

You can get film numbers for the batch numbers from the FHL Parish and Vital Records index (this is a microfiche; there is no computer index). This can be somewhat hard to find; the LDS family history centers should have it, but may not. This is actually an old source, so some of the volunteers may not be aware of it.

The basic information you need is country, state/province, and town (ocassionally specific church in the town if it is a large town/city).

You can get them from the Films area of NR at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films for some localities.

You can also do a google search for IGI batch numbers, a number of sites will come up. One of best one for Mexican Records is http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/

You can get them from the Films area of NR at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films for some localities.

However, the secondary lists of batch numbers are not necessarily complete.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Another suggestion: save the image, then try adjusting the contrast and/or the brightness with picture viewing software.

Some software will have an "auto-fix" feature which tries to optimize the image. This may be the best place to start.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

yes the city is Cadiz,
you can find help in this page http://script.byu.edu/spanish/en/lastnames_abbreviations.aspx
for the last name of Ynes, that could be Gonzalez

Julietamartha

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> Anyone come across this in marriage records? I don't know what the word before Reynos de Castilla is or means...
> "Vecinos de la ciudad de ? ? Reynos de Castilla..
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> Also the mothers name is Ynes and some symbol that I assume stands for a last name...
> here is the link...gracias!!
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20399-7735-57?cc=1860831&…
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
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> I believe that it means from Spain, a general term rather than specifying a specific region but I could be wrong. I have seen this before and I assumed that it meant from Spain.
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ? Reynos de Castilla
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> Anyone come across this in marriage records? I don't know what the word before Reynos de Castilla is or means...
> "Vecinos de la ciudad de ? ? Reynos de Castilla..
>
> Also the mothers name is Ynes and some symbol that I assume stands for a last name...
> here is the link...gracias!!
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20399-7735-57?cc=1860831&…

I am glad to be of help.
Es un placer para mi ayudarles.

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

Mr. Villasenor opened his lecture by welcoming the standing only crowd to come forward and sit on the floor in the front and sides of the room in order to better enjoy the presentation. The perfect host, he engaged attendees with questions on attitudes about world peace. Some were optimistic, but many like me, were unsure.

Ten years ago, as a novice genealogist, some wise person suggested I read his books to understand family history, which is the context of genealogy. I have only read two of his books, “Rain of Gold”, and Thirteen Senses”, which chronicles his family’s journey from Mexico to Orange County California in the early 1900’s, and was not only inspired but motivated to look for “the story” and not just names and dates.

Victor Villasenor is not only a best selling author, but he is an amazing storyteller and motivational speaker. Relating his family history using quotes and pictures from several of his books he set the context of his family’s migration from Mexico to southern California. He emphasized the strength of Mexican women noting their ability to be grateful and compassionate in the worst of situations. His lecture centered on the arrogance of advocates of English only, noting that language promotes understanding. He started school speaking only Spanish and the prejudice of the majority of his teachers embittered him and he became hateful. It was through the encouragement of a substitute teacher that he found his voice in writing and determined that he would encourage others disparaged in an English only society.

After several hundred rejection letters he published his first book in paperback, but due to the miscue on the part of another author he was the keynote speaker at a teachers conference and his book and presentation were widely reviewed in southern California. Now a successful author he encouraged those in attendance to find their voice, find their family, and be optimistic about the future and world peace.

cuidad de cadiz, but not sure of what follows/before reynos de castilla

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From: hernandezmol@msn.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ? Reynos de Castilla
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 10:33 PM

Anyone come across this in marriage records? I don't know what the word before Reynos de Castilla is or means...
"Vecinos de la ciudad de ? ? Reynos de Castilla..

Also the mothers name is Ynes and some symbol that I assume stands for a last name...
here is the link...gracias!!
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20399-7735-57?cc=1860831&…

I believe that it means from Spain, a general term rather than specifying a specific region but I could be wrong. I have seen this before and I assumed that it meant from Spain.

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From: "hernandezmol@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ? Reynos de Castilla

Anyone come across this in marriage records? I don't know what the word before Reynos de Castilla is or means...
"Vecinos de la ciudad de ? ? Reynos de Castilla..

Also the mothers name is Ynes and some symbol that I assume stands for a last name...
here is the link...gracias!!
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20399-7735-57?cc=1860831&…

I saw it a few days ago. It was very good. Showed the diverse areas of the country. Sherri Mora

Probablemente este libro te sirva:
http://books.google.com/books?id=I2mKWnGSG9gC&printsec=frontcover&hl=es…

2011/9/20

> I am seeking a reference to ranchos in Spanish Colonial Mexico for Nayarit,
> specifically the georgraphical area around Ixtlán del Río. Thank you.

This location may actually be El Jaral (today). Try looking in Mexquitic del Carmona, which is near San Luis Potosi.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Thank you Stewart,

I guess my family was normal for those times. From my 7th generation
forward I find a lot of same names, like Antonio, Francisco and Francisca in
the same family, Jesus for male and female, Felipe, etc. and since there
were so many in each family, there are many of the same same but with
different father & mother. Also kind of weird to me because it involves me
is that my mother named me Maria Graciela in the civil registration but my
grandmother thought I should have a Christian name, Esther, so in my
baptismal record that is the only name I have Esther. I decided to retain
this name to honor my grandmother who was very special to me.

Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Stuart Armstrong wrote:

> Esther ... ,
>
> > Rafael Lopez Ornelas ... oldest male in a family of 13. His
> > youngest brother was also named Rafael Lopez Ornelas
>
> I have a surprising number of such instances in my database. And I
> would say that in browsing the christening record images I have seen
> MANY like this. It causes a lot of problems before you discover that
> two siblings had the same name.
>
> There are several scenarios I have seen.
>
> A child is given the same name as an older sibling for no apparent
> reason.
> A child born on the birthday of an older sibling was often given the
> same name.
> A child born in the same month as an older sibling. Saints days
> weren't followed precisely - it seems that families often chose between
> favorite saints whose days were close to the birthdate of the child.
>
> Twins were often given the same name.
>
> I have seen records that don't even name each child distinctly - for
> example, the record just says "Bacilios", meaning two of them, and
> "hijos legitimos" (plural) and in the margin the word gemelos (twins).
> To my way of thinking I would somehow feel cheated if the recorder
> didn't make a separate record for my birth .
>
> One particularly confusing instance was of a child born exactly 10
> years to the day after his older brother, and was given the same name.
> Until I discovered the christening records for both of them I thought
> it was a typo or copying error.
>
> In still another family I discovered 3 siblings named Francisca. Two
> of them were twins, and the other was born exactly 6 years earlier to
> the day.
>
> Contrary to what I've often heard, there was no requirement that the
> older sibling died young, although that sometimes happened. In the
> case of Francisca, the older one and one of the twins both married and
> raised families. The other twin died at age 13.
>
> The confusion that often results from same-name siblings can be hard
> to reconcile. You sort of get your first clue when the marriages and
> parents of the children don't reconcile. You think there are two
> spouses, but they overlap, then you dig deeper and discover the
> same-named siblings.
> --
> Best regards,
> Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
>

Encontré que los Rugama y Vega eran nobles por su línea agnada, Rugama. El pleito de hidalguía está conservado en el Real Chancillería de Valladolid fechado 1818. El hombre que empezo el pleito juridico era Nicolás de Rugama, vecino de Cicero, Cantabria. Una cosa que notarás es que muchísimos de los comerciantes en México, específicamente los cántabros, eran nobles de linaje muy antiguo hijosdalgos.

Daniel M.C.

No tengo datos adicionaes sobre los Cuellar/Moreno de Ortega pero ojalá esto te ayuda con los Rugama y Vega. Muchísimas familias españolas se involucraron en el comercio de Nueva España, lo cual no era excepción con los Rugama y Vega.

Marcelino de Rugama y Vega era hijo de Nicolás de Rugama y Rosaura de Vegas, originarios de Cicero en la provincia de Santander (Cantabria). Marcelino cruzó el atlántico el 24 de octubre de 1799 y llegó a Veracruz donde trasladó a Fresnillo, Zacatecas y comenzó su carera de comerciante. Poco años después le siguió su hermano Ramón.

Ramón de Rugama y Vega, quien cruzó el mar océano el 27 de noviembre de 1803 donde también era comerciante. El dato último que tengo es interesante. Ya que sabemos los Rugama y Vega vivieron en varios sitios, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Veracruz y La Habana, Cuba.

El expediente es fechado 14 de septiembre de 1829. Saturnino Cicero hijo de Pablo Cicero y Manuela del Campo cruza el atlántico. Saturnino era sobrino de Marcelino de Rugama y Vega, hijo de un primo suyo. El documento menciona que iba a La Habana, Ysla de Cuba en casa donde vive su tío Marcelino de Rugama del comercio de esa ciudad. A saber que sangre alteña, los de Cuellar y Moreno de Ortega, anduvo por esas tierras de Cuba es sumamente interesante. No sería los únicos en su historia, linajes como los Flores Alatorre, Álvarez Tostado, Díaz de León, etc regresaron a España.

Un Saludo,

Daniel Méndez-Camino

I am assuming that there is no identifying info so that you could return
these tapes to the family. What about your local historical society? Or if
you live near a univerisity, contacting the history dept. there? I see
online that there is something called the Oral History Association, link :
http://www.oralhistory.org/. Maybe they can suggest something. It is sad,
and I can understand and admire your sense of obligation to not let this
woman's words be lost. Good luck.

Raquel Ruiz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, wrote:

> So yesterday I went out and bought a bunch of used tapes and a tape
> recorder for my research. I played the first tape and it really broke my
> heart, an elderly woman( who was in her 80s I'm guessing) was talking about
> her life in the early 20s and through the depression . She was talking about
> her life because she " feared she didn't have much more time". It's sad to
> hear a lost piece if someone's family history just go like that. What should
> I do? I don't want to record over it . -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Alice,

After I downloaded Firefox, I was able to use their new Viewer, and I thought that since Firefox forced me to upgrade my Adobe Flash before it would download, I thought that perhaps that was all that was needed and not a new browser. So, I went back to IE8 and tried to access the new Viewer there, but I still had the same old problems. What other older browser do you have on your computer?

Now that I have the Firefox, I am experiencing strange problems such as the original old MSN Explorer 6 (for dial-up) launching itself in the middle of what I am doing. So now I have three browsers on my computer, and they conflict.

Armando sent me a link to something on Mozilla that hopefully will lead me to correct the problem.

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:30:17 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles

> A couple of days ago when I started to have troubles with the familysearch I had a friend who works with computers for a living check out the situation. He told me that the problem appeared to lie with lack of testing of the website before launching and not my XP. I couldn't wait and downloaded Firefox and all worked great.
> Today, I forgot to go through Firefox and accessed the site the old way through XP and I am no longer experiencing the problems as before.
> I hope everyone else is no longer experiencing the technical difficulties as before.